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Muttah: What Is The Definition Of It According To Shia Law?

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farzaan Group: Members  Joined: 17th Nov, 2007  Topic: 8  Post: 28  Age:  46  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 10:16am
 

Muttah: What Is The Definition Of It According To Shia Law?

in comparison to  so  called  extrimist  islam  shia faith    must  be very  attarctive  if  marketed  professionally. no  faith in  the  world  offer MUTAH facility exept shiaism.   

shaia law  say  dont  masturebate  ,rather   make  mutah  contract with any  one  for any period  from   60 min  to  60years.there  are  mutah match makers  on  the  net

 any comment????

seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  57  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 3:52pm
 

I love this faith.

Which faith, the beautiful faith of Islam of course what else ?

Let me tell you at the outset. I am not a shia or sunni  or wahabi. I am a Muslim.

Every sect of Islam has its own strong arguments to prove their belief system. They will give you quotations from Quran ,Sunnah , Hadith , Fiqh. There is even a Hadees in Bukhari which says that there will be 72 sects in Islam and only one will be on the right path. Which one is it ? I do not know that is why I am a Muslim and use my own study of Quran , Hadees and Sunnah to guide me instead of any one sect. To me this is the only way to Jannat and be abdullah (Allah ka banda).

Personaly I am not convinced that on the basis of a couple of Hadees from Bukhari and interpretaion of a couple of verses from Quran that Mutah is allowed and Hazrat Umar abolished it.  I will not practice it, why, because it is a grey area, if I make a mistake deliberately I cannot afford to end up in 'Jahannum'. Those few hadees  can be weak and the interpretation of mutah related verses from Quran can be wrong and if it is all true then I am doomed and I am committing a grave sin of Zina. I can afford to live without a mutah.

Now as for Masterbation , Quran has specifically prohibitted zina , it has specified penalties for zina. But Quran does not talk about masterbation , if Allah wanted to prohibit it it would have been specifically prohibitted and Allah would have told us to do Mutah instead of materbation , but it is not so. Do you think materbation was not practiced in Arabia in those days ? Allah left it to you to decide if you want to masterbate or you want to rely on his system of noctarnal ejaculation in both the cases he is saving you from zina.

There are certain things which are Halal and certain things which are Haram but there are some grey areas Mutah is one of the grey area. If you have your arguments to justify your actions on the day of Qiamat and you can afford to make a mistake in this regard then follow it otherwise your best bet is to avoid it.

Did I confuse you ? If I did then I am sorry.

pinky7861 Group: Members  Joined: 06th Oct, 2007  Topic: 44  Post: 1348  Age:   
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 4:20pm
 

Mr. seriously

    Totally agree with u.  I also believe that we are muslims and such words like shia, suni, wahabi etc should not be used.  Whatever school of thought we follow, ultimately it is Islam, and we are muslims.  And for muttah, u are 100%right, keep it up.
josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2285  Age:  37  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 5:39pm
 

mutah!

farzaan is right , manay ye parha to mai hairaan ho gaya k 60min say 60 sal tak shadi ,,, phir manay net say search kia to wakaee bohat si mutah  match maker websites milin...or aik web par puri detail hai mutah ki, with references.
Hangama Group: Members  Joined: 02nd Dec, 2007  Topic: 39  Post: 1284  Age:  38  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 6:40pm
 

cofussion

Mera khayal sai yah post khatarnak hosakti hai cause mutah ka barai mai jo log yaqeen rakhtai hain woh zaror bolaingai aur khatarnak kisim ki larai hosakti hai yaha pa. its very risky topic here for this forum.

Asal bat yah hai ka hamari aqal kiya kahti hai mutah ka barai mai?

Hangama Group: Members  Joined: 02nd Dec, 2007  Topic: 39  Post: 1284  Age:  38  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 6:46pm
 

Question

Agar koi shia member hai yaha pa yah phir woh member jisna kisi shia sai yah bat puchi ho kisi web site ki detail nahi batana bhai.

Aik confussion hai woh yah ka jo bat 60min wali ki gai hai woh kaisa mumkin hai, kiya 60 min ka liya nikkah hojata hai yah baghair nikkah ka, agar baghair nikkah ka hota hai 60min mai to mera khayal sai yah to zina howa aur eski bohot buri saza hai.

seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  57  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 7:08pm
 

Hangama daro nahi

Forum per agar shia sunni fasad ho bhi jai tow koi khoon nahi bahay ga. This kind of discussion is healthy for correcting your faith I think it is better people take out their aggression here rather than doing khud kush hamla on a masjid , imam bargah , girjah or mandir in Pakistan.

That being said , yes Mutta is allowed in Shia Fiqh. I had lived in a Shia Mohallah till I moved to USA  so I was not born in that Mohallh but I was raised there and know a lot about believes and practices of shia fiqh first hand. So many of my Shia friends get astonished with my level of information about their fiqh . As I said I lived in that mohallh so I practically lived , breathed , cried , played and growed up to a man from a little boy ,with them. No they are not enemy of Islam or Pakistan, no they are not enemy of Sunni or any other fiqh. They also belive in ' la ikrah fid deen' and la kum deenakum wa ley-a deen.

I practically growed up with the family of a shia alim. One of his sons who was a little younger than me but we used to hang out a lot is now a big shia alim  in Pakistan and we used to chat a lot about their believes and their customs and rituals.

Hangama Group: Members  Joined: 02nd Dec, 2007  Topic: 39  Post: 1284  Age:  38  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 7:15pm
 

Seriously

Mujhai lagta hai apka pas practical knowledge hai to plzz ap mera upper kiya gai sawal ka answer dejiya.

mai dar nahi raha hon bhai, yaha pa har tarhan kalogon ka ana hai es forum per achai sai acha member bhi ajata hai ur ghatiya sai ghatiya member bhi u know that.

seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  57  
Posted on:22nd Jan 2008, 7:27pm
 

Answer to your question.

According to Sunni Alims your Nikah will not be valid if you have already decided to get divorced. There was a post here about Halalah I did not participate in that one . According to Sunni Alims even for Halalah if you will decide in advance that this women will get married to some third person consumate the marriage and then get divorce to get married to first husband who had given him three talaq .then this nikah which is performed for the sole purposes of halalah will not be valid so the halalah will not be valid. They say that for halalah to be valid this third person will have to divorce out of his free will . This woman and this person cannot agree in advance that there will be a temporary nikah and then talaq so that this women can go back to her previous husband.

According to Shia Fiqh yes there can be a temporary marriage contract or muttah , in which case you can decide the duration of nikha and the terms of nikah and terms of talaq in advance. There are more details but that will help no body.

nikama Group: Members  Joined: 15th Oct, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 1808  Age:  35  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 1:55am
 

hmm

Seriusoly ,nice one from u...Good work.

I also lived with shias ,they are good ppl all of them ,personaly I believe that there is' t any much diff among any muslim....for me all are same ,all sunny,wahabi,shias, & etc ..they have been triggered wrongly.

but one thing I noted about shia's Namaaz,thery are totally diff in pray..It did not seem to me accordingly stated in Islaam,all comments pls ?

farzaan Group: Members  Joined: 17th Nov, 2007  Topic: 8  Post: 28  Age:  46  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 5:19am
 

mutah marriage

yahan  bahes  ye  nahi  ke  shia  are  good  people  or  not, na  ye  ke  unka  namz  ka  kya  style  hai.

wo  contract marriage karte  hain  60min  to  60ys

koi bhi male  female  bina  kisi gawah  ke  kuch  time  ke  liye shadi karke  miyan  bv  ban  sakte  hain.ek saal  ,ek  raat  ek  ghanta  ya  kuch bhi

takeed  hai  ke  musht  zani  na  karo  kisi  se  teporary marriage  karlo.

mutah  me  bv  ko  kharcha  dene  ki zaroorat hai.bas  jinsi  zaroorat  poori  karni hai

unke  kuch  ulama  shadi  shuda  mard  aur  shadi  shuda  aurat  ko  bhi  mutah ki ijazat dete  hain.

kisi  larki  ya  khatoon  se  jakar  request karna  aap  mere  sath  do  din  ke  liye  shadi  karlo, koi  bura  nahi  samjha  jata.balke  unki  law  ke  mutabik hai

is  par  unki  books  aur  sites  refer ki jasakti hain

 

ch Babar Group: Members  Joined: 15th Jul, 2007  Topic: 32  Post: 1873  Age:  40  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 6:42am
 

Seriously

achi baat hae aap khud ko sirf Muslim kehlana pasand karte hain , laikin mera sawal aap s ye hae ke kya shia muslim aor sunni mulsim eik jaise muslim hian ????aor jo hadees ka aap ne hawala diya hae us main 72 firqa ka ziker hae ya 73 ka , aor kya us hadees main ye bataya gya hae ke 72 jahanum main aor 1 jannat main.... aor jannat main jane wala firqa najia kehlai ga (nijat wala firqa) aor firqa najia woh firqa ho ga jo quran , hadees aor sahabah karam (R.a) ke raste pe ho ga .....sunni firqa ke 4 maslik hanfi, hanbli, shafi, malki , kya in sab ke aqaid wahi nahi hain jo sahabah karam ke hain???? aor kya Sheikh abdul Qadir jilani (R.A) jo ke hanbli maslik ke thay aap ne apni book main detail se nahi likha hae ke ahl-e-sunnat he firqa najia hae???? i am proud to be sunni muslim and i am thankful to my Allah that i am sunni muslim.....shia kahe ke asli quran mehdi ke paas hae aor jab tak woh nahi aata hum majboor hain yeb ghalt quran read karne pe, ....shia kahe ke Hazrat Abu Huraira paise le ke hadees banaya karta tha ......... shia kahe ke 6 ke ilawa sare sahabah kafir ho gay tha..... shia kahe ke Nabi Pak(p b u h) ki azwaj ghalt ..... Shia ka koi eik to aqeeda aisa ho jo ke us ko muslim sabit kare...... aap baqi sab ko chorrain  aap khumeni ki books read kar lain phir faisla aap pe ........
farzaan Group: Members  Joined: 17th Nov, 2007  Topic: 8  Post: 28  Age:  46  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 12:35pm
 

mutah

dear  dont  expand  the  topic. here  we  are  not  here to  discuss all

i  just  tell u  that  shiasm  laws for  sex  are  too  user  friendly.

they  allow  temporary marriage,allow  anal sex  ................and  so many  other

i dont  think any  shia/boy girl  need  to do masturebation due  to  mutah outlet

josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2285  Age:  37  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 1:47pm
 

shia log kia kuch kartay hain!



shia kahe ke Hazrat Abu Huraira paise le ke hadees banaya karta tha .........

shia kahe ke 6 ke ilawa sare sahabah kafir ho gay tha.....
shia kahe ke Nabi Pak(p b u h) ki azwaj ghalt

shia ki namaz aur tara say, agay pathar rakh kar us par sajda kartay hain.
shia ka kalima aur tara ka.

ch babar shia k baray mai ye sari batain jaan kar to yehi lagta hai k shia muslim nahi hain, unho nay asal religion mai changings kar k apnay matlab ka aik naya religion bana rakha hai........ kalma bi aur hai namaz ka tareeka bi aur hai , shadi bi aur tarah (contract/temporary marriage) karaty hain... or suna hai jo mehfil-e-shabina hoti hai us mai koi pata nai hota kon mard kis orat say sex kar raha hai or phir jo bacha paida hota hai wo shia logon ka koi leader banta hai, kuch aisi bat suni hui hai... kia ye batain sahi hain ?? ch babar & seriously ap dono mai say kisi ko pata ho to plz bata dain.

aik aur bat suni hai k jab koi shia mar jata hai to wo uskay andar danda maar kar andar say sara gand nikaltay hain uski antrian waghaira, ta k wo paak ho jaey, detail ka muje sahi pata nai ,, kia ye baat bi sach hai ???


seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  57  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:17pm
 

I am not defending Shia or Sunni , I am defending Islam

We the Muslims are the only followers of a religion who

want to decrease the number of followers of religion by

labeling them kafir, mushrik , munafiq, shaia, shafai ,

hanbali, ahal a hadees, sabz pagree and what not.We are

the only religion who would want to kill those who have

declared allegiance to our beautiful religion by saying

LA ILLAH HA ILLAL LAH MOHAMMAD UR RASOOL ALLAH.
Other religions will spend time , effort , money and all

kind of tactics to bring more people to their religion

let alone try to kick them out. But we spend our time ,

effort , money , energy to kick out Kalma go Muslims.
We have even ahadees to prove that it is fine to label

people of our faith (Muslim). Although the sunnah proves

otherwise. You will see that anybody who would say LA ILA

HA ILLAL LAH MOHAMMAD UR RASOOL ALLAH that person will

come under the protection of Islam and Muslim no matter

what his actions were.
The biggest example is that of abdullah bin Ubbay who was

sardar of munafiq's. Our beloved rasool never declared

any war against him or labeled him kafir . An order was

never issued by our beloved prophet(SAW) to kill this

chief of munafiqs and his followers. Why ? Have you ever

though about it ? Because Quran and Sunnah dictates that

once someone says LA ILAH HA ILLAL LAH MOHAMMAD UR RASOOL

ALLAH that person comes under protection of Islam

irrespective of his actions. Yes if he commits any crime

as prescribed in Quran that is the only way he/she can be

punished but even in that case we cannot declare that

person a kafir, mushriq or munafiq. he/she is still a

Muslim.

You cannot declare anybody kafir, munafiq, mushrik and

justify his killing based on if he practices mutta,

cleans the internals of their dead before burrying them,

says that the real Quran is with imam mehdi, uses slander

against sahaba's.
Because Quran and Sunnat did not give anybody this

license, this license is only with Allah. He will judge

them in whatever manner he wishes. That is the day we

should all prepare  for by protecting our Muslim brothers

and sisters as hadees says : hum main say woh musalman

nahi jis kay hath aur munh say dosray musalman mahfooz

nahi.

 

If you want to know more about shia fiqh , you can find

so much information and misinformation online.

I have done my research and I belive IN 'LAKUM DEENA KUM

WA LEE YA DEEN'.

I belive in all the basic arakan of deen.

1. Kalama. (LA ILAHA ILLALAH MOHAMMAD UR RASOOL ALLAH)

2. Namaz(5 Times)

3. Roza (29 or 30 days)

4. Haj ( as prescribed in Quran)

 

seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  57  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:20pm
 

continued

5. Zakat ( as prescribed in Quran)

 

I try my level best to practice these arakan ud deen. Quran and Sunnah prescribe that anybody who says la ila ha illal lah mohammad ur rasool allah is a Muslim. Everything else comes after that. Allah and his Rasool( SAW)did not give anybody any power to declare anybody non Muslim who says la ila ha illal lah mohammad ur rasool allah .

josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2285  Age:  37  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:31pm
 

Farzaan what was the purpose of this topic ?

Mr. Farzaan what was the purpose of your post ?
bcoz u said "i  just  tell u  that  shiasm  laws for  sex  are  too  user  friendly. they  allow  temporary marriage,allow  anal sex  .....and  so many  other"

what do you want to say ? plz explain more , what should we do if shia's are allowed for temporary marriage ?

did you start this topic for information purpose or you are trying to convert sunni people to shia fiqah ?

pinky7861 Group: Members  Joined: 06th Oct, 2007  Topic: 44  Post: 1348  Age:   
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:31pm
 

Ch Baber aur Josh

 

      Aap ko yah tu patta ho ga kay Imaan kia hota hay??  aur qata-e-nazer iss kay kay ham sari zindgi kia kertay rahay hain, shia thay ya sunni, ya wahabi yah even kay mushrik aur kafir.  Allaha kay fermaan kay mutabik bkhshish sirf ussi ki ho gi jo IMAAAN per meray ga.  Tu aap iss baat ko samaj lain kay ager aap kay hayal main sirf sunni hi bakhshay jain gay sirf iss liay kay un kay hayal main wohi rah-e-raast per hain ya sirf shia hi ki maagfrat ho gi kay wo apnay aap ko theek samajtay hain, tu aisa nahi hay.

   Mernay kay waqat per iss baat ki koi gaurentee nahi hay kay kis ka dil imaan say munawar ho ga aur kis ka nahi.  Iss liay yah ilzaam-trashi na kia kerain, patta nahi allah ko hamari konsi baat buri lag jay aur wo mernaysay pahlay ham say hamara Imaan cheen lay, aur hamari sari umer ki ibaadat per pani phir jay. 

Iss liay main iss baat ko koi ahmiyat nahi daiti kayounkay mujay patta hay kay aik bohat bura insaan jo mushrik bhi hay, ho sakta hay mernay say pahlay imaan uss kay dil main uter aay aur wo muj say bohat aagay allah ki nazer main ooncha ho jay.  Allah ka fermana hay kay ''taferqay main na pero aur ......'''

tu aisi batain hi taferqa bazi paida kerti hain.  Iss say perhaiz kerain tu bahter hay, kayounkay koi nahi janta kay konsa bera boal hamain allah ki nazer main zaleel ker kay doarzkhi bana dalay.

 

  

josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2285  Age:  37  
Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:44pm
 

thanks!

pinky thanks for the suggestion and guidance...
ch Babar Group: Members  Joined: 15th Jul, 2007  Topic: 32  Post: 1873  Age:  40  
Posted on:24th Jan 2008, 4:29am
 

Pinky & Seriously

jo kufria aqeeda rakhta ho ga us ko kafir he kaha jai ga . ..kalma to qadiyani bhi parrhtay hain... phir kyun koi bhi muslim un se baat karna bhi pasand nahi karta ..... jis tarah mirza qadiyani ke hawale ae qadiyani khatm-e-Nubuwwat ke munike hain isitarah imamat ka aqeeda rakhne shia bhi khatm-e-Nubuwwat ke muniker hain..... mera to ye emaan hae ke jo quran ke eik haraf ka bhi inkar karta hae woh kafir hae aor shia to poore quran ko ghalt kehta hae...Dear Seriuosly muje ko eik aqeeda , koi eik amal aisa bata dein jo suuni aor shia main mutabiqat rakhta ho.....koi eik bhi .....

Dear josh.....aik aur bat suni hai k jab koi shia mar jata hai to wo uskay andar danda maar kar andar say sara gand nikaltay hain uski antrian waghaira, ta k wo paak ho jaey, detail ka muje sahi pata nai ,, kia ye baat bi sach hai ??? ye 100% true hae......danda marne wali baat kai eik sunni muslims jin kerishta dar shia hain ne apni aankhoon se dekha hae .......agar aap shia se poochain to woh is se inkar kar sakta hae kyun shia dunya ka wahid mazhab hae jis main jhoot bolna ibadat hae, jis main zina ibadat hae, aor jis mazhab main jis nabi (peace be upon him) ka woh kalma parrhtay hain us nabi paki ki azwaaj aor ashaab ko gali dena ibadat hae ....ye aise muslims hain jin ki sari larrai nabi pak ke ghar waloon aor ashaab se hae ....

 

 

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