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Posted on:29th Jul 2009, 10:35am
 

SARKAR SALLALLAHO ALAHI WASALLAM KA KARAM KON SE MASLAK AUR KON SE JAMMAT PER HAI...

SARKAR SALLALLAHO ALAHI WASALLAM KA KARAM KON SE MASLAK AUR KON SE JAMMAT PER HAI... ESS K LEYE YEH THREAD DEKHE. !!!

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atiqueje Group: Members  Joined: 18th Jun, 2009  Topic: 16  Post: 289  Age:  38  
Posted on:29th Jul 2009, 10:37am
 

ker le sab nay iss maslay per behas???

chalain iss say ye sabat ho gaya k abi ALLAH ka bohat karam hay hum sab per k hum sharai masail per bat cheet kertay hain our samjanay samjanay ki try kertay hain,ALLAH hum sab ko amal ki b tofeeq day.Ameen.


ab atay hain iss thread k mozo ki janib.
tu arz ye hay k humaray muashray k aik bohat barhi badqismati hay k hum nay iss aayet per amal chor deya hay (WA ATASEMOO BEHABLILLAHEY JAMIAA WA LAA TAFRAQOO)  
"our ALLAH ki rasi ko mazbooti say pakray rakho our tafrqay may mat parho(groh bandi mat kero)"
iss umat may 72 firqay hain our her firqa k feqi masail per elag elag aqaid hain.may kisi ko galt nai kehta,mera tu aik asool hay apna haq bat jahan say milay apna lo.firqa bazi may mat parho.

rehi bat Surrah FATIAH ka namaz may parhnay ka masla tu zara tawajo darkar hay app ki,

Surrah FATIAH k bohat say naam hain jin may say chand aik may yahaan ziker ker deta hon
(FATIAH,FATIAH TUL KITAAB,UMUL QURAN,SURRAHTUL KENA,KAFIA,WAFIA,SHAFIA,SHAFA,SURRAHTUL HAMMAD,SURRAHTUL DUA,UMUL KITAAB,SURRAHTUS SALAAT(YANI NAMZ KI SOORAT))
iss Surrah ki koi b aayet nasseh ya mansookh nai hay.iss soorat k bohat say fazail hain but ab may yahaan maslay ki taraf ata hon.

iss Surrah ka namaz may parhna wajib hay,AMAM O MUNFERID(yani amam our akailay namaz parhanay wala)k liay tu haqeeqaten apni zuban say parhna our MUQTADI(yani jammat k sath amam k peechay parhnay wala namazi)k liay ba Qirat-e-Hakeema(yani amam ki zuban say).
saheeh hadees may hay k:
    "Amam ka parhna he muqtadi ka parhna hay"
Quran pak may muqtadi ko hamosh rehnay our amam ki qiret sunanay ka hukam deya gaya hay.
(IZA QURE ALQURAN FASTAME-OO)
  "jab quran parha jay tu pes usay suno"


Muslim Shareef ki hadees hay
"jab amam qiret keray tum hamosh reho"

tu meray dosto jab quran may kaha gaya k jab quran parha jay tu usay suno our hadees may b aa gaya k jab amam qiret keray tu tum hamosh reho.ab yahan may ye b wazhet ker doon k amam sahib 2qisam ki jammat kerwatay hain,
1; Jehari namaz(jis may amam sahib ba awaz-e-buland qiret kertay hain,in namazon may Fajer,Maghreb,Eisha shamil hain)
2; Khafi namaz(jis may amam sahib sirf itni awaz may qiret kertay hain jo sirf hud sun sakain,in namazon may Zoher our Aser ki namaz hain)


tu jab amam ba awaz buland qiret keray gay tu pir hum per quran ki aayet k mutbiq farz ho jata hay k hum hamoshi say sunain.our jab amam khafi namaz parha rehay hon tu pir gunjaish hay k hum b hamoshi say qiret ker lain wagrna sirf amam ka parhna he muqtadi k liay kafi hay.jab hum amam ki iqtada may hotay hain tu amam ka parhna he kafi hay.

Masla:
   AMAM ABU HANIFA k nazdeeq amam per iktafa he kafi hay,jab k AMAM HAMBEL k nazdeeq hud b parhna ho gi.

   MASJID ul HARAM(MAKKAH) may main ne jab jaheri namaz ada ki tu amam sahib FATIAH parh k kuch dair hamosh ho gay pir doosry soorat parhi,jab may nay iss ki tahqeeq may wahan k aik alim say swal kia tu unon nay bataya k amam waqfa daitay hai k muqtadi hud b FATIAH parh lay,jab k MASJID_E_NABWI MADEENA may amam aisa nai kertay.tu iss say sabit hua k ager amam hamosh ho ker moqa day tu parh laini chaye warna nai.issi tara namaz khafi may b parh laina chahye our ager na parhi jay tu amam per he iktafa kafi hay.


humaray waten-e-aziz k ulama may aik tregeti hay k yahaan ulama akser apni taqareer ko islami waqeyat say he sanwartay hain na k bunyadi masail ki taleem dain.bohat kom ulama aisa kertay hain.
goodman Group: Members  Joined: 11th Oct, 2007  Topic: 64  Post: 7680  Age:  33  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 1:41pm
 

ok

atique jee achi post ha..........knoweledgeble.......i appricate u..............
System Group: Members  Joined: 03rd Jun, 2008  Topic: 40  Post: 2281  Age:  33  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 4:04pm
 

saim arif

Agreed with paroot and myrizvi...  aur dosri baat yeah ke ager tareeqa her maslac main different hai to phir behas kia karen...  ager app confuse hain to app ko chahe ke apna knowldege ke lea is bare main Quran e pak aur hadees e pak se rajo karen...
System Group: Members  Joined: 03rd Jun, 2008  Topic: 40  Post: 2281  Age:  33  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 4:13pm
 

Paroot

abhi mashallah se app only 19 years ...  maturity ane main kuch saal aur lagen ge shaid 4 ya 5 sal.. until then Rizvi bhai ki baat per amal karo ... app apna kaam karen aur dosron ko unka..kissi ko bhi ghalat ya bura kyon kahen... app ke bura ya ghalat kehne se dosra maan nahee jai ga..   apna point of view den aur behas na karen... maqsad sirf apna point of view byan karna hota hai .. refrecnes ke sath... aur app ke pass mashallah refrences to hain... qurani ayat bhi aur hadees e pak bhi... bura nahee mnana ..  app ko chote bhai ki trah aqal de rha hon....  is age main sab aise hi karte hain but ager koi guide mile to zaroor learn karna chahe...

I hope you dont mind..

waseem08 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Apr, 2009  Topic: 13  Post: 1304  Age:  32  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 4:41pm
 

saim arif

g fqq hanafi me:IMAM K PECHAY QIRAAT NY HY.

fqq maliki,hambali,shafii me:IMAM KI QIRAT K BAD SURA FATIHA KA PRHNA WAJIB HY.

ab ap kon se maslik se talluk rakhti hen phele wo bata den q k AAHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAAT ME(HANAFII,MALIKII,SHAFII,HAMBALII.)FQQ K AAITBAAR SE QURAANO HADITH KE MUTABIQUE EKHTALAAF HY.

TO PHELE AP YE CLEAR KI JIYE K AP KON SE MASLIK KI TAQLEED ME HEN PHR USSI K MUTABIQUE JWAAB DIYA JAYGAA.

ATTENTION:PAROOT&GOOD MEN:YAR BHAI APAS ME MASAIL DEENA KO LEKR ARAAM SE BAT KI JIYE Q K GOOD MEN KA KHENA B SAI HY Q K EMAM SHAFII K NAZDEEK YEHI HY.

saim1 Group: Members  Joined: 23rd May, 2008  Topic: 44  Post: 2214  Age:  36  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 5:02pm
 

waseem sahib

may sirif uss bat ko follow karti hon jo quran or hadit may ho or sahi ho

or jis bat ko meri aqal bhi tasleem karey

 

waseem08 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Apr, 2009  Topic: 13  Post: 1304  Age:  32  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 5:30pm
 

saim arif

may sirif uss bat ko follow karti hon jo quran or hadit may ho or sahi ho

or jis bat ko meri aqal bhi tasleem karey.

what is this?

me apki bat ny samjha apka mutlub kia hy kia ye AAHELESUNNATWAALJAMAAT JIS ME(HANAFII,MALIKII,SHAFII,HAMBALII) DAKHIL HY quraan,hadith k khilaaf hy.

or ap kia deen me apni aaqal se kaam leti hy?(:

THANK YOU.

saim1 Group: Members  Joined: 23rd May, 2008  Topic: 44  Post: 2214  Age:  36  
Posted on:30th Jul 2009, 8:38pm
 

waseem08

mujhey 100% yaqeen tha key app ko meri bat samjh nahi aii gi

it's ok brother

app plz rhney hi daien

waseem08 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Apr, 2009  Topic: 13  Post: 1304  Age:  32  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 3:11am
 

afsoos hai mhujhe

ANA PRAST LOGO PR.

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 130  Post: 7733  Age:  55  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 4:16am
 

aqalay insaani aur islami ahkaamaat

insaani aqal ... 5 senses or max 6 senses par kaa karti hai ... aur bahoot say moqaamaat aisay bhi haiN jahaaN aqal jawaab day jaati hai ... ilawah azeeN aqal baRhti aur ghaT.ti bhi rahti hai... jouN jouN bandah baRa hota jataa hai oski aqal baRhti jati haiN... insaan ki taleem k baRhnay say bhi aqal baRhti rahti hai... insaani aqal ki aik boundary bhi hoti hai... jaisay aik bara maahir tabeeb (doctor) medical field maiN to bahoot zeyadah aqalmand hota hai magar yeh ain mumkin hai k engineering, marketting & other fields maiN oski AQAL zero ho........ issi tarah aik aalimay deen, shekhul quran w shekhul hadees, ki AQAL deeni maamlaat maiN to bahoot aalaa o arfaa hoti hai magar yeh ain mumkin hai k denyawi field like medicine, engg etc etc maiN oski aqal zero ho... issi tarah vice versa ...

kahnay ka matlab yeh hai k insaani aqal, mahdood, irteqaa pazeer, aur halaat o waaqe'aat k motabiq ghaT.ti baRhti rahti hai... jaisay jin logouN par "boRhapaa taari" hojata hai onki aqal kam honay lagti hai etc

jabkay deenay Islam saray ka saaraa WAHEE yaani Allah ka naazil kardah hai. WAHEE aqal say bahoot baRi cheez hai. zaroori nahi k wahee say haasil shudah info /ilm, insaani aqal maiN bhi samaa jaa.ay........ TAHAM islam AQAL ka yakser mokhaalif bhi nahi hai... taaham aqal ka use logically hona chaahiyeh... yaani agar hum jiss field k expert haiN ossi field maiN apni aqal ka istemaal karaiN... agar hum bahoot baRay non-medical scientist houN to apna ilaaj apni aqal say karkay apni jaan ko khatray maiN DaalaiN balkay kissi tibbi maahir ki aqal ka saharaa laiN....... issi tarah deeni amoor maiN apni aqal tab hi use karaiN jab hamaiN deeni aloom like quran, hadees, fiqah, seeratay Rasool saw o sahaabah ra etc etc par maharat haasil ho... bah sooratay deger kissi aisay scholar ki aqal ka saharaa laiN... takay imaan zayaa honay say bach sakay....... jab hum dunyawi maamlaat maiN har jagah apni aqal use karkay apni jaan o maal ko khatray maiN daalnay ka RISK nahi lay tay to deeni  maamlaat maiN yeh RISK lay kar apnay imaan ko khatray maiN kiyouN DaalaiN...

aik misaal:

islam safayee ko nisf imaan qarar deta hai... din maiN at least 5 times wazoo karnay (befre salaat) ka hukm deta hai... issi tarah baRi napaaki ko door karnay k liyeh ghusal ka hukm deta hai.... yeh sab insaani aqal k ain  motaabiq bhi hai aur medical science bhi islam ki safayee k rules regulations ko qadar ki nigaah say dekhti hai

but

islam yeh bhi hukm deta hai k jab wazoo / ghusal k liyeh paani nah milay to apnay haath paouN par maTTi mal lo (tayam.mum kar lo) tum paak saaf hojaa'ogay.... ab agar saari insaani aqal, medical science yakjaa bhi ho jayaiN to paani nah milnay par maTTi say "nahanay" k amal ko "aaqlnaah fail" qarar nahi day saktay k maTTi nah sirf khud gandi hai balkay hazarouN laakhouN jaraaseem ka maj.moo.aa bhi...... being a muslim hamaraa imaan hai k islam ka yeh farmaan barhaq hai aur hum bilaa kissi karahat k maTTi say "nahaa" kar / wazoo karkay namaaz paRh saktay haiN.

issi liye kahtay haiN k aqal ko islam k taabe hona chahiyeh nah k islam ko aqal k taabe........ 1)quran 2) hadees 3) seeratay rasool o sahabah 4) fuqahaa ki bhari aksariyat ki roy........ yeh sab hamaray aqal say ooper ki cheezaiN haiN in par imaan lanaa aur bay choon o chara amal karnay hi maiN hamari bhalaayee hai ........ albataah samajhnay samjhanay ki gharz say above sources k kissi bhi ahkaam ka aqli /sciency tajzeya kia jasakta hai

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Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 4:27am
 

RIZVI BHAI SALAM

bhut shukriya itna kuch type kr k hume bhetr samjhane k liye.

g bilkul soo aana sach kaha apne.

thank you soo much.

saim1 Group: Members  Joined: 23rd May, 2008  Topic: 44  Post: 2214  Age:  36  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 6:59am
 

acha

tu phir app log appney appney so called firqon ko jo follow kar rahey haien wo appni aqal ko use kiya bagear kar rahey haien?

tu phir itney dawey key sath waseem sahib appney firqey ko sahi kasey kah saktey haien?jab key inho ney appni aqal hi nahi use ki ussey follow karney key liya

myrizvi bhai yeah aik lambi bhes hey key Islam or aqal ka kiya taluq hey

meri nazar may Islam or insani aqal ka bhout ghra talluq hey,agar iss par bhi bhes ki jai tu aik or bhes nikal aii gi

Raja Taqi Group: Members  Joined: 17th Sep, 2010  Topic: 31  Post: 2017  Age:  48  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 7:11am
 

saim

aap ne jo question shuroo mein kiya tha.... sura fateha k mutaliq aap ubi tukk uss per agree huee hein k nahi.....

saim1 Group: Members  Joined: 23rd May, 2008  Topic: 44  Post: 2214  Age:  36  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 7:20am
 

raja bhai

may ney tu aik sawal kiya tha appni confusion door karney key liya,lakin yahan tu larai hi shoro ho gai

may goodman ki bat say ziyada agree hon or meri appni study bhi yeah hi khti hey key surah fatiha namaz may prhni zarori hey chey imam key peechey hi ku na parh rahey hon

iss key bina namaz nahi

Raja Taqi Group: Members  Joined: 17th Sep, 2010  Topic: 31  Post: 2017  Age:  48  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 7:32am
 

saim

achi baat he k aap kissi aik baat per mutfiq ho gaee hein ....wessy in musail mein ziada agye nahi jana chaiye......Allah her kissi ki niyat ko khoob janta he aap routeen se apni numaz adha kerti rah kerein ye na ho k aap inn musail mein ulaj ker apni nimaz se bi jati rayein............

App Daar-ul-Afta ki books ya unn ki web site read ker k dekhien ho sukta he aap ki wahan se tusali ho jaye....

goodman Group: Members  Joined: 11th Oct, 2007  Topic: 64  Post: 7680  Age:  33  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 7:41am
 

ok

my rizvi sahib nay be achi explaination kee ha..........start may to Insani Eqal kee kuch tareef kee ha lekan akhar per insani aqal koo woo islam kay tabian qarar day gain ha joo kay achi bat ha.............aur woo lekhtay ha...

islam yeh bhi hukm deta hai k jab wazoo / ghusal k liyeh paani nah milay to apnay haath paouN par maTTi mal lo (tayam.mum kar lo) tum paak saaf hojaa'ogay.... ab agar saari insaani aqal, medical science yakjaa bhi ho jayaiN to paani nah milnay par maTTi say "nahanay" k amal ko "aaqlnaah fail" qarar nahi day saktay k maTTi nah sirf khud gandi hai balkay hazarouN laakhouN jaraaseem ka maj.moo.aa bhi...... being a muslim hamaraa imaan hai k islam ka yeh farmaan barhaq hai aur hum bilaa kissi karahat k maTTi say "nahaa" kar / wazoo karkay namaaz paRh saktay haiN.

Matti na to gandi hoti ha aur na hee Hazarooroo Lakhoo Jaraseemoo ka majmaoo hoti ha............Blkay Matti Saff aur is may Jarasimoo koo marnay kee taqat hoti ha..........aur yeah saff cheez ha joo kay insan koo pak ker deti ha.....aur insani aqal be is cheez koo tasleem kerti ha aur sab say bar ker yeah islam ka hukam ha to hamay tasleem kerna chahay.........

aur ma miss saim jee kee donoo post say agree kerta hoo.........

paroot Group: Members  Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008  Topic: 66  Post: 1660  Age:   
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 5:59pm
 

theek hai

theek hai bhioo aur beheno jo samaj mein aii karo jab apne baat per arnaa he hai tu yaha sawal q kya jab apne aqla per etna bharoosa hai tu yaha q pocha

aur yaha per khudara fiqhe maslee na pocha karee yaha per koi aleem mufti nahi hai phir q pochte hai 1 baat samaj nahi atee app ko kya faida hua pochne ka na jawab meel saka na galat rah se hat sakee

surah fatiha parhte raho jo maan mein aii karo jo prhnee ka aqal kahee parhoo jo na parhne ka kahee na parhoo

jab hospital mein bacha beemar hota hai aur dr elaaj nahi kar pata tu taweez lene baghte hoo jab elmee deen sekhne ke baat atee hai tu kese bhi rah chaltee shaks se poch loo chahe sahi ho ya galat...

afsoos ka maqam hai namaz baleeg hote he farz ho jate hai leken alaam yeh hai k 31 age honee k baad bhi pocha ja raha hai k surah fatiha parhen chahe ya nahi  thoda se khud per goor kya jai k etne saloo ke namazoo ka kya banee ga agar galat parhee hogee na ghar mein koi namaz ke keetab rakhne ke zehmat hote hai na kese aleem se pochne keee.

phir akheer mein apne aqal per goom pheer kar baat ajate hai k aqal nahi mantee theek hai aaqal tu kabhi bhi sahi elmee deen seekhne nahi dete

aqal ko mantee rahe ess ka nateeja kabhi na kabhi tu pata chalee gaaa.

1 baat yaad rakhea gaa.

SHAHRIAT MEIN AQAL KO DAKHAL NAHI HAI JES NE AQAL KO DAKHAL KYA BAHUT MUSHKIL HAI K WO DEEN KO SAMAJ SAKEE.

waseem08 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Apr, 2009  Topic: 13  Post: 1304  Age:  32  
Posted on:31st Jul 2009, 6:13pm
 

i agree with paroot&good men

thank you.

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 130  Post: 7733  Age:  55  
Posted on:1st Aug 2009, 3:33am
 

maTTi pak hai

u r rite ... magar ap yeh "confidential baat"  kissi doctor ya mother say mat share kijyegaa jo apnay mareezouN aur kidz ko maTTi maiN khelnay say manaa kartay haiN ... haaa haaa
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