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12 th Rabiul Awal: Kia Jashan Manana Sahi Hai?

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Bewaqoof Group: Members  Joined: 19th Sep, 2010  Topic: 263  Post: 4444  Age:  39  
Posted on:6th Mar 2009, 4:44pm
 

12 th Rabiul Awal: Kia Jashan Manana Sahi Hai?

main ne school ki Islamiat ki book (lahore text book board) mai read kia hai keh hamare Prophet Mohamma (PBUH) ki birth (wiladat) 9th Rabi-ul-Awal ko huyee thi aur on ki wafat 12th Rabiawal ko. hamai yaad hai keh ham log iss din ko barah-wafat kehte the. aur iss din Huzoor (PBUH) ke naam per fateha kerte the. aur yahi samajhte the keh aaj ke din Huzoor (PBUH) ki death ka din hai. aur zahir hai keh death ke din jashan manane ka tasawar bhi nahi ker sakte the.

lekin ab yeh soorathal hai keh 12th Rabiul Awal ko jashan manaya jaata hai. mera sawal yeh hai keh:

1. Huzoor (PBUH) ki birth date kia hai? 9th ya 12th Rabiul Awal.
2. agar 9th hai tu 12th ko on ki wafat ke din jashan kio manaya jaata hai?
3. aur agar 12th hai tu hamari Islamiat ki book (lahore text book board)  mai 9th kio likha hua tha.
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Posted on:7th Mar 2009, 5:42pm
 

Bewaqoof Bhai k Jashan

Bewaqoof ager tum zaheen hote to shaid aik se ziada refrences per beleive karte..  Islamiat ki book  (lahore test book board) ka incharge koi aik insaan ho sakta hai... and he or she can be wrong....  your ID does explains your personality very well..

Dnyapower
yar ye ap kaise bat kar rahe ho ek dusre se? kisi ne sidha sa sawal kiya hai ,jawab ata hai to do yar warna rehne do.kisi ko bura bhalla nahi kehna chahye yaar,
apko sorry karna chahye.
dosto ap sab ki kya raye hai? ya phir yahan sab aise hi bat karte hain??


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Posted on:7th Mar 2009, 9:46pm
 

Rabi-ul-Awal.

Bewaqoof Bhai.  I have also read in some books of "Seeratun Nabi S.A.W" that our beloved Prophet PBUH came into this world on 9th of Rabi-ul-Awal and he departed at 12th of Rabi-ul-Awal. You are absoulutely right, It is a blunder which our Molvis are making ; in other words they are encouraging people to celerate "Jashan" on our beloved Prophet PBUH's departure.

This is another worse attack on Muslim history by rivals of Islam who are destroying our history and culture. May ALLAH help us to research Islamic History.

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Posted on:8th Mar 2009, 3:43pm
 

2 Rabiul awal ka celebrate

ha kuch aqwaal app ko 8 aur 2 Rabiul awal ke bhi melengee leken yaad rakhe ge mashkook , mashoor, aur jamhoor aqwaal 12 ke hai ess leye 12 ko celebrate kya jata hai. ho saakta hai wahabi ya gumraah firqa loogo ko gumraah karne ke leye ess tarha ke baaten bhi app se kar sakte hai leken app bilkul tension na lee aur apne mufti se maloom karlee main ne bhi kya tha aur yehe jawab deya hai mujhe bare bare muhaqeeqn ne tehqeeq se 12 Rabiul awal ka kaha hai aur sab mussalaman ess date ko celebrate kartee hai.....
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Posted on:8th Mar 2009, 9:21pm
 

reference of 9th rabiulawal

12th Rabilul Awal: yeh confirm hai keh iss date ko hamare piarae nabi ki wafat huyee thi, lehaza wafat wale din jashan manana sahi nahi hai.

9th Rabiul Awal: references ke mutabiq iss tareekh ko wiladat huyee thi. lehaza agar jashan hi manana hai tu iss tareekh ko jashan manaya jaaye.

Reference: The observance of the 12th of this month as the birthday of the Holy Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, is not only an innovation having no basis in the Islamic teachings, but the accuracy of this date as the real birthday of the Holy Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, is also very much doubted. There are different dates suggested in different traditions, and the majority of the authentic scholars is inclined to hold that the Holy Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, was born on the 9th of Rabi'ul-Awwal. This difference of opinion is another evidence to prove that the observance of the birthday is not a part of the religion, otherwise its exact date would have been preserved with accuracy. ---URL DELETED----

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Posted on:9th Mar 2009, 12:29am
 

12 rabiulawal

paroot bhai,  wahabi ya gumraah firqa loogo ko gumraah karne ke leye ess tarha ke baaten bhi app se kar sakte hai

paroot bhai kis tarah ki baatein kar sakta hae?

main bhi wahabi family se hoon kiya aap mujhay bataien gay k kabhi maine kabhi kisi ko misguide kiya aap wahabiyon ki website darse quran dekh sakte hain aap ko kisi k khilaf kuch nahi mile ga. albatta agar aqaid ka farq hae to phir koi kisi ko gumrah nahi keh sakta . kyun k doosron ki burai pe wohi nazar rakh sakta hae jo khud perfect ho.

Seemi : aap ki baat darust hae lekin har ghalat baat pe molviyon ka zikar kyun kiya jata hae? mujhay to aaj tak koi molvi aisi baateion karta nazar nahi aya. agar har daRhi wala shakhs molvi hae to phir to har uniform wala fauji hoga usay bhi sarhad pe hifazat k liye mamoor kar dena chahiye.

agar koi shakhs zang alood auzar lekar aik dentist k clinic k samne beth jaye aur 1000 rs k ilaaj 10 rs main kar de. abb logon ko zang nazar araha hae lekin woh phir bhi 10 rs main bohat si gandagi ilaj ki surat main hasil kar rahe hain. abb qasoor kis ka hae? logon ka? us banday ka jo illegal betha hae ya phir us Dr ka jo clinic main hae.

 

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Posted on:9th Mar 2009, 12:47am
 

12 rabiul awal yaume wisal

Nabi pak salalaho Alehe Waalehi Wasalam ki yaume pedaish main ikhtalaf hae lekin aap ki yaume wafat main koi ikhtelaf nahi yani 12 Rabiul awal hi aap ka yaume wisal hae.

abb rahi yeh baat k yaume wafat ko jashan manaya jata hae( sahi hae ya ghalat ) to is ka jawab yehi hae k jab hum logon k ghar mein kisi ka wisal ho to kiya tab bhi aise hi jashan manaya jata hae?

 Masjide Nabvi mein khajoor ka aik khushk tanna hae jis se Nabi pak pusht laga kar bethtay thay aur bayan kiya karte thay lekin jab logon  tadada ziada hogai to Sahaba (R.A.) ne AAP (S.A.W.W) k liye manbar bana diya ta ke sab aap ko ba asani dekh sakain to woh darakht AAP (S.A.W.W)  ki judai main itna roya k us ki hichki bandh gai .

AAP (S.A.W.W.) us ko galay se laga liya aur usay basharat di k tu qiyamat k roz jannat main meray sath hoga. tab woh darakht khamosh huwa warna qiyamat tak aise hi rota rehta AAP(S.A.W.W.) ki judai k gham mein. is kainat mein AAP (S.A.W.W) KI JUDAI se baRa gham aur koi nahi aya na hi qiyamat tak aye ga.

yeh sab se baRa sadma hae jo poori kainat ko mila sirf saal main aik martba kisi ki tareef kardena mohabbat nahi hae balke apni sari zindagi ko un ki perwi main Dhaal lena Un ki mohabbat hae.




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Posted on:9th Mar 2009, 5:05am
 

12th Rabiul Awal ka Celebration

Maryam Baji, you have explained it quite nicely. Mein Ulama ka zikar nahin kiya tha jo apni har baat mein Quraan Hadees ya kisi authetic book ka hawala detay hein,  lekin Jis tarah har darhi wala shakhs Aalim nahin ho sakta, usi tarah khod ko kehalwanay se koi alim nahin ban sakta.

Hamaray madarsa system mein jis tarah molvi produce hotay hein, us ka aap ko andaza hi ho ga jo sirf lakeer k faqeer hotay hein. Jinhein na sahih tareeqay se deen ka pata hota hai or na duniya ka... Isi liye ALLAMA IQBAL ne bhi farmaya tha k Islam ko sab e ziada khatra "Mulla" se hi hai. Ulama Karam ki apni shan hai or un ke baray mein kuch ghalat kehna gustakhi hai.

Asal topic mein yeh baat ab clear ho chuki hai k Tareekh e Wiladat or Tareekh e Wisaal ko mixup kar ke muslim ummah ko confusion mein daal diya gaya hai.


Maryam

seemi ji
now i agreed to u.




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Posted on:10th Mar 2009, 3:20am
 

yaume wiladat

humare Nabi Akram (S.A.W.W) mausme bahar mein makkah mein paida huwe. 2 shanba somwar ka din tha. 9 rabiul awal aamul feel mutabiq 22 april san571 ki tareekh thi. subha sadiq k baad talooe aftab se pehlay ka waqt tha.

nahi meray bhai main naraz nahi hoon lekin aap ne chun ke wahabiyon ka name liya aur sath gumrah logon ka to sirf isliye yahan reply kiya k koi bhi islam ka firqa ho exclusively kisi ka bhi name lekar baat karna munasib nahi.

Hadeese Nabvi hae k achi baat momin ki gumshuda meeras hae usay jahan pao hasil kar lo.

to main bhi kisi bhi firqe ki koi bhi achi baat zaroor follow karti hoon kisi specific group ko follow nahi karti. islam aik jisam hae aur sab firqe different body parts hain sab ka kaam hi different hae tabhi jisam zindagi se juRa hae warna hae body part aik hi kaam karna shuru kar de to phir to jeena hi muhal ho jaye isi tarah sab firqon ka difference bhi Allah ki taraf se hae bas kisi ka bhi name lekar point out nahi karna chahiye.

main aap se bilkul bhi naraz nahi hoon bas jo baat namunasib ho usay discuss karlena chahiye:)



parrot
Maryam Baji, mera maqsad koi larai nahi hai na he main ne app ko kaha hai kuch firqo  ke kuch loog galat karne ke khoses karte hai jesa ke pakistan ke citizen bhi pakistan ko kharab karne ke khoses karte hai ese tarha islam ka lebada auooor kar islam ko badnaam karne ke khosses karte hai ho sakta hai sunni mein bhi koi sunni ke naam se galat baat karne ke khosess karen aur sunni ka naam kharab karen ess tarha wahabio mein ho !!!

mera maqsaad app ko kehna nahi hai baqi gumraah ke baat rahe to wo mera kaam nahi hai behter ulama jante hai jen ke pass ellm hai us per main kuch nahi kahon gaaa.

app ke baaton se mujhe to kahi nahi lag raha ke app sunni se alag hai app ke post se bilkul essa nahi lag raha baqi app behter jantee hai.

Naraz nahi hoee gaa main ne app ko nahi kaha!


theek hai Thanks for replying.

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Posted on:11th Mar 2009, 3:10pm
 

Wahabi kaha jata hey Allah key maney waley ko

agree to maryam ,
log yeah kah rahey haien key Wahabi ya gumrah fiqa logo ko gumrah kartey haien sab say pahley tu wahabi ka matlab samjh lijiya

wahab nam hey Allah ka or Wahabi kaha jata hey Allah key maney waley ko or mryam ney jo site bati hey ya koi bhi wahabi ko book ley laien app ko kahi bhi gumrah karney wali bat nahi miley gi balkey quran or hadit key hawley key sath bat ki jati hey


jo log wahabiyon ko kafir ya gumrah kahtey haien un say yeah zaror kahon gi key kisi bhi suty key bgear bat na karien suni sunai baton ka koi bharosa nahi hota tu koi bhi bat karney say pahley study karien




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Posted on:12th Mar 2009, 5:25am
 

jashan-e-Waladat

Mera zaati kheyal yehi hai ke Islam ke mukhtalif firqoon ke mutaabiq mukhtalif dates hain and there is diffrence of opinion regarding the date of birth and death of Holy Prophet (PBUH). Iss liey jo loG 12 Rabiul awal ko jashan-e-Waladat manaatey hain, humain unn par aitraz nahin krna chaahiey. Har bnde ki apni soch hai aur aesi soorat main jab saarey segments aik date par agree b nahin tou kisi ka objection ka right nahin bnta ke falaan loag aise kyun krte hain ya unhain aise krna chaahiey. Haan agar aik date par sab agree hotay tou koi baat b banti thi.

System
Bhimji, I totally agreed with you...
wese main 12 Rabiul awal ko jashan-e-Waladat manata hon. Bhimji.... yar app ne baat bilkul sahee aqal wali ki hai. Ager kissi ka dil jetna bhi ho to Karwi baat karke kabhi nahe jeet sakte...

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 3:18pm
 

wahab Allah ka name hai?

saim arif, wahab Allah ka name hia ess se yeh sabit kaha hota hia ke wo sahi hai sheytan bhi farishtoo ke line mein tha leken wo bhi mardood ho gaya na aur wahabi ke to bare bare peshava ka app ko nahi pata kya nahi pata to app poche apne he kese mufti se wo app ko batainge ke unhee essa kyun kaha jata hai app khud unn se pochle app ko pata chal jai gaa ke unhee kyun essa kaha jata hai...

aksar loogo ko pata nahi hota ess leye wo samajhte hai ke kehne walee galat hai har cheez sabuut ke sath kahe jate hai aur yehe baat unhoon ne khud wahabio se he sabit ke hai.

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 3:35pm
 

12 Rabiul Awal K kushi Manan

Maryam Baji u r right,
ess se bara gam 1 musalman ko kya ho sakta hai ke jes ke sadqee aur waseele ke use sab kuch mela hai. Sarkar Sallallaho Alahi Wasalam ke judai se bara gaam koi nahi ho sakta.


leken Nabi, Sahaba, walii aur deegar Allah ke naik bandoo ke wiladat aur wisaal dono din acha aur aheme hote hai.


wiladat ka din hamare leye mussarat aur rehmatoon aur barkatooon wala din hota hai aur wisaal ka din khud un ke leye acha hota hai kyun ki uss din wo Allah ke huzur mein hazeer hone walee hote hai....


Nabi karemm Sarkar Sallallaho Alahi Wasalam  ne khud apne wiladat ke din manaya rooza rakha aur sahaba ko roza rakhne se mana na kya.

tamam jamhoor, mashkook aur mashoor ulama ne wiladat ka din 12 Rabiul awal akhaz kya hai. aur abb usse din jashan manane raiiij hai.


Hum sab muslamanoo ko chahe ke jen ke sadqe humse sab kuch mela hume unn ka jahne wiladat poree dhoom dhaam se manana chahe.


ho sakta hai kese ke dimagh mein yeh waswasa ajai ke wessaal wale din kese jashan mana ya jai app ke niyat kya hai app yeh dekho ke app kes niyat se jashna mana rahe hoo.musalmanoo ke eid aur eidoo ke eid jashne wiladat he hai sab se baree eid hamara jashne wiladat he hai..

aur wesaal lekhne ka matlab zaheere parda farmaya hai.
Nabi Karemm Sarkar Sallallaho Alahi Wasalam  ajj bhi hamara jashan dekhte hai aur batoore waseela hamaree dua bhi sunnte hai.

Mazeed maloomat ke leye ess sunn le Inshall waswasee zehen se nikal jaingee.

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 3:47pm
 

wahabi

ji janab may ney kab kaha key Whabi khalwaney say koi cheez sabit hoti hey?May ney tu iss nam ka matlab bataya hey

dosri bat may ney kab kaha may wahabi hon?or may ney yeah bhi nahi kaha key may wahabi nahi hoon

tesri bat wasey tu wahabiyon ko kafir kaha jata hey tu agar dekha jai tu har fiqa dosrey firqey ko kafir qarar dey chuka hey shiya  kahtey haien key sunni kafir haien suuni kahta hey key shiya kafir hey tu agar asey dekha jai tu phir kisi ka bhi firqa sahi nahi hey

or jahan tak bat rahi wahabiyon ki tu jaba may ney un ki books bhi read ki haien,or un may bhout rahi bhi hon or bhout close ho kar obsever bhi kiya hey may ney koi shirki bat nahi dekhi or jo batien wahabi kahtey haien samjh may aney wali haien agar koi banda agar aqal rakhta hey tu wo un baton say zaror agree karey ga or for more detail app wahabiyon key Alim Allama Ahsan ilahi zahir ki books read karien,unho ney chalange key saht har bat ki hey or khul kar har bat kartey thay jab hi un ko Lahore key jalsey may bomb say urwa diya gaya,or Allah ka karishma dekhiya key Sudai ki hukmat ney unhey janatul baqi  may dafnaya hey

or may shiyaon may bhi rahi hon or bhout kuch bhout close ho kar dekha hey or sunni ko bhi bhout close ho kar dekha hey kahan kiya hota hey may achi tarha janti hon,aik comon sence rakhney wala insan galat bat say kabhi agree nahi karney ga,Allah ney insan ko aqal di hey sochney or samjhney key liya,app ko marey khyal say thori si study or comon sence ki zarorat hey

may yeah nahi kah rahi key may koi alim hoon lakin Allah ka sukar hey itni aqal hey marey under key sahi ko sahi or galat ko galat samjhon

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:07pm
 

73 Firqay

Aqal sab ke pass hai ap wo kes jaga jata hai kaha tak pohonchta hai wo uss ka naseeb hai. app ne jo name deya hai main ess ke tehqeeq zaroor karonga.


Nabi karemm Sarkar Sallallaho Alahi Wasalam  ka farman jes ka mafhoom yeh hai ke  bani essrail ke qaum mein 72 firqe the mere quam mein 73 firqee hongee aur unn mein se 1 firqa jannate hogaa.


app ne sahi kaha ke har firqa dosre ko kafir kehta hai.
hume yeh dekhna chahe ke kon quran-o-hadees ke mutabiq hai.
Alhamdulellah Sunni wo jaamat hai jes ka koi aqaid quran aur hadees se takrata nahi hai aur jo ke bahut baree tehreek hai.

 agar app previos wahabio ke peshaava ko dekhe jen mein Ashraf Ali Thanvi aur sab se bara peshava Abdul wahab jo ke 13th sadii mein zaheer hua tha app zara unn ke bhi books read karen aur ashraf ali thanvi ke book Hifzul Iman bhi read karen ke unn ke kya aqaid the nanatoii ke books read karen app ko maloom ho jai

gaa app ne zaroor parhee hongee books leken yeh sab ibtada ke loog hai jen se agee sab kuch chala. aur wahabio ko jashne wiladat manane mein kya problem hai jab ke har musalman uss din khush hota hai aur hone bhi chahe har musalaman ko.


saim1
snowyrose,
app ney jo names liya haien may koshish karon gi key wo books read karon,
Allah hum sab ko hidayat dey

Ameen





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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:13pm
 

wahabi

SAIMA
tesri bat wasey tu wahabiyon ko kafir kaha jata hey tu agar dekha jai tu har fiqa dosrey firqey ko kafir qarar dey chuka hey shiya  kahtey haien key sunni kafir haien suuni kahta hey key shiya kafir hey tu agar asey dekha jai tu phir kisi ka bhi firqa sahi nahi hey

No ji u r wrong,,SHIA kisi ko kafer nahi kehty ,,hamy kafer kaha jaraha hai,,or jaha tak sunni ki baat hai tu mujy sahi tu nahi maloom per itna pata hai ki sunni may b firqy hai un may sy ek firqa wahabiyat hai or wo log hamy kafer kehty hai.ap ny kaha hai ki shia suunni ko kafer kehty hai tu may ye bata doun ki ham sunni ko kafer nahi kehty balki ek firqa hai wahabiyat jo ki hamy kafer kehty hai ham un k khilaf hai,,,,,,,ham ehle sunnat k khalaf nahi or na koi galat baat ham un k khalaf karty hai

ager koi baat buri lagi ho tu sorry


saim1
khyali, app ney jo bat ki key shiya kisi ko galat nahi kahtey tu 100% jhoot bat hey may ney khud suna hey shiya log Hazrat umer or bibi Ayesha key barey may kasey kasey alfaz kahtey haien may ney khud suni haien yeah batien,

tu app yeah nahi kah saktey key app log kisi ko galat nahi kahtey

suniyon key sahab or Nabi (s.a.w.w) k wife ko gali dena pori sunni jamat ko galat kahna hi hey or un key aqeedey ko galat kahna hi hey

app ko bhi meri agar koi bat buri lagey tu sorry mera maqsad  kisi ko hurt karna nahi hey
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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:20pm
 

firqe ke hesyaat

bahur se gumraah firqo ne apne apne galat aqaid bana leye hei ess leye Ahlesunnat wo waheed theereekh hai jo yaqeene haq per hai.

aur dosree galat, gumraah aur bad mazhab firqo se bachane ke leye deen ka kaam kar rahe hai aur loogo ko Rahe-e-haq per la rahe hai yeh wo waheed tanzeem hei jo zabardast dalail rakhte hai jio ke quran aur hadees se sabit hai aur baqi shia, wahabi ke hai kuch aqaid galat aur fased jo ke app ko wo books read kar ke maloom ho jai gaa app ko woo books youtube.com per bhi meel jai gee waha per detail mein bataya gaya hai un ke kufriya kalimat ka jo un hoo ne khud hee kaha hai.

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:28pm
 

Firqay

KHAYALI , SAIM ARIF.
Hamaree samne 1 azeem aur sab se ache tehreek hai jo ke non poltical hai aur duniya ke maloo dolat se ghafil Akherat ke tayyari ka zehen dete hai jo hume apna duniya mein anne ka maqsad yaad delate rehte hai jes ne ketne he non muslim ko muslim kya ketne he loogo ko na sirf faraiz ka balke sunnat aur mustahab ka paband banaya hai jo loogo ke zindagi mein 1 inkalaab peed karte hai uss tehreek ke bani hamare leye 1 baree he barakat ke baat hai ke hume un jesse wali ke suhu bat meele.

Dawatewislami ke khedmaat hum sab ke samne hai jo deen ke tableeeg mein hamageer kaam kar rahe hai loogo ko rahe rast par la rahe hai

ALLAH HUM SAB KO ESS MAHOOL SE WABASTA FARMAA KAR AKHEERAT KE TAAYARI KA ZEHEN ATAA FARMAYEEEN..

AMEEN SUMMA AMEEN.

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:31pm
 

Shia Suni Firqay

saima ap ny kafer ki baat ki thi or kaha tha ki shia sunni ko kafer kehty hai,,or may challege sy kehsakta houn ki ham kisi ko kafer nahi kehty or nah hi kehsakty hai ,,kafer ka matlab kia hai???ap ko b pata hai ,,kafer ka matlab ye huwe ki ALLAH ko or NABI(S.A.W)  ko manny sy enkar karna or koi b aisa firqa nahi hai jo ki ALLAH or RASOOL(S.A.W) ki nabowat ka inkar kary ,,

or dosri baat ki ham kisi sahaby ko ya UMMUL MUMINEEN ko gali dety tu ye koi shai nahi hosakta ,,ap ny jis sy b suna hai wo shia nahi,,, ho ga koi AMERICA agent,,,aisay log hoty hai jo musulmanoun k dermiyan nafrat failarahy hay,,Muharam k dinoun may aisy Molany akser pakry jaty hai bad may pata chlata hai ki ye log AMERICA or Western coutries sy isi kam k liye baijy jaty hai..ham her firq ka ehtiram karty hai per ek firqa hai jo hamy kafer kehta hai or shaion ko marna jaiz samjata hai,,,,,,

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Posted on:19th Mar 2009, 4:37pm
 

Firqay

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bahur se gumraah firqo ne apne apne galat aqaid bana leye hei ess leye Ahlesunnat wo waheed theereekh hai jo yaqeene haq per hai

wah ji ham b tu ye kehsakty hai na ki ham hi wo firqa hai jis k mutaliq Rasool pak(s.a.w) ny farmaya tha ki wo firqa janaaty ho ga,,yaha baat hai ki ap log khod ko sahi samajty ho or baqi sub ko kafer ,,

or jaha tak youtube sy books read karny ki baat hai tu mairy bhai yawa jo books hai wo sub logoun k likhy huwe hai ,,shai firqy k naam per ap logoun ny hamy badnaam kia hai,,ham jo books read karty hai waha kahi nazer nahi ata jo tum dekhty ho



 
 
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