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Hamaray Nabi SAW ka Maslak kya tha?

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softleap78 Group: Members  Joined: 29th Jul, 2010  Topic: 11  Post: 287  Age:  37  
Posted on:31st Mar 2011, 1:00pm
 

Hamaray Nabi SAW ka Maslak kya tha?

mian daily is forum par ata hon aur yahan kuch log apnay maslak ki baat kartay hain, kya koi members mujhay ya bata sakta hay kay hamary Nabi SAW ka kya maslak tha?. aj say 1400 saal pahlay jab Nabi SAW is dunya mian tashreef laay to us waqt kya mazhab tha? jab Nabi SAW nay is dunya par islaam phaylaya to us waqt kitnay maslaq mojood thay, kya us waqt sunni, ahalay hadith, shai, duobani mojood thay? plz is topic par discuss karain...
mara maqsad kisi maslak ko bura kahna nain hay, miain bas ya knowledge gain karna chahta hon kay actual mian sab kya hay.
mari is forum par mojood sab respected (bhaiyun aur bahno) jo kay islaam kay baray mian ilm rakhtay hian un say request hay kay kay is topic par baat karain, hope all members will talk to this importent matter....  

RANI111 Group: Members  Joined: 31st Aug, 2010  Topic: 13  Post: 57  Age:  32  
Posted on:31st Mar 2011, 4:59pm
 

Re huzoor SAW ka maslak

Nabi SAW ka maslak sirf aur sirf Islam tha. Quaran e mageed me saaf likha hai ki (allah ke nazdeek koi deen nahi siwai e dineen e Islam ke).Jab huzoor SAW ne islam ki tableeg ki us waqt Kufr aur Shirk ka bool bala tha magar us waqt bhi nabi SAW ke waaldain aur unke bhai Sher e khuda Ali RA islam par the.Aap ne jin maslak ke naam lie hai ye saare maslak huzoor SAW ke is faani duniya se visal ke baad hue hai.

regards

H/dr_Qasim Group: Members  Joined: 10th Sep, 2010  Topic: 185  Post: 6559  Age:  36  
Posted on:31st Mar 2011, 6:20pm
 

Huzoor ka Musluk

 Huzoor Nubi-a-Kureem(PBUH) ka Musluk onka Kulmaa hay or Quran jo Allah nay onko ataa keyaa onko kisi Pashwaa, peeer ki zuroorat nahi thi jisko woh follow kurin bulky woh Allah kay Peyary Nubi thay ess leyeh onko Jibrahil Alay slaam kay zurieyeh Allah apna Direct paghaam , Hudait daty thy,  

Onka Pagaam, Toheed thaa Kay Allah ek hay or meah Allah ka Rusool hoon or Quran jo ono ataa keya ghiyaa hay Deen-a-islam kay manny waly oski parvi kurin or Aswat hussanaa , sonnut-a-nubvi ki parvi kurin,

Quran ko sumjainy kay leyeh molvi ki zurorat nahi hay hur ehla-a-elm essy pur kur Hudait paa sukta hay serf woh jo ghor o fikur kurty hen, or osko apni life meah impliment kurty hen oski practice kurty hen, Jo Quran ko sumajty Hudees ko sumajty hen onko kisi peer , paswaa ki zurorat nai woh essi Raah or Suraat-a-mostaqeem pur hen jo seedaah Allah ki turaf jata hay, 





Bewaqoof Group: Members  Joined: 19th Sep, 2010  Topic: 263  Post: 4444  Age:  39  
Posted on:31st Mar 2011, 9:28pm
 

Maslak ka bhahas fazool bahas hai

aap ka sawal bilkul ghalat hai kio keh kisi bhi shakhs ke maslak ka taluq os ke mazhab se nahi balkeh os ke parents ki wajah se hai.

agar aik bachcha ke waldain sunni hai tu woh sunni hoga, agar shia hai tu woh shia hoga, agar deobandi hai tu woh deobandi hoga.

bilkul isi tarah agar os bachcha ke waldain non muslim hai tu phir woh bachcha bhi non-muslim ho ga aisi soorat mai shia, sunni aur deobandi ki kahani hi nahi hogi. aap bhi musalman isi liye hai keh aap ke waldain musalman thay, agar aap ke waldain musalman nahi hotay tu aaj aap bhi musalman nahi hotay aur yaha per sunni shia deobandi ka masla nahi poochtay.

Islam mazhab ka wajood: sirf etni si baat hai keh aaj se 1400 saal qabal hamaray piaray nabi (SAW) ne farmaya keh woh Allah ke nabi hai aur Farishta Hazrat Jibrail (A) on ke paas Allah ka paigham le ker aatay hai. jin logo ne on ki baato ko tasleem ker lia woh musalman kehlaye aur jinho ne tasleem nahi kia woh non-muslim kehlaye.

baad mai inhi musalmano ne doosre non-muslim tak yahi paigham pohnchaya ... jinho ne tasleem ker lia woh musalman huye aur jinho ne nah maana woh non-muslim hi rahe. phir jo musalman ho gaye on ki aulad musalman paida huyee aur non-muslim ki aulad non-muslim hi rahi.

Sunni Shia Deobandi bhi darasal musalman hai lehaz iss per ziadah discuss ki zaroorat nahi. Asal sawal tu yeh hai keh aaj 1400 saal guzarne ke baad bhi dunya mai musalmano ki taadad non-muslim se kam kio hai. Dunya ki aksariat ne Islam qabool kio nahi kia?
RANI111 Group: Members  Joined: 31st Aug, 2010  Topic: 13  Post: 57  Age:  32  
Posted on:31st Mar 2011, 10:41pm
 

Re aksariyat non muslim

Aaj 1400 saal guzarne ke baad bhi aksariyat non muslim islie hai ki Huzoor ke is duniya se jaane ke baad jin loogo ne kisi maslahet ki bina par islam qubool karlia tha wo loog islam me haram ko halal karna chahate the is ki wajeh se un loogo ne islam ki theke dari apne sar leli aur natija wo hi hua ki huzoor ki aal ko hi shaheed kardala aaj ye sawal hai ki wo kaun loog the jin hone karbala me ye ganda kaam kia.

Huzoor ki beti ko sataya unka ghar jalaya ali RA ke gale me rassi bandhi kiya unko nahi pata tha ki Huzoor in se kitni mohabbat karte the.

Islam sirf Huzoor ke iqulaq par pala barha tha aur in naam nehad muslims ne apna iqulaq itna giraya ki aaj duniya me har gagah zaleel ho rahe hai. Ek english writer ne likha hai ki DUNIYA KA SUBSE ACCHA RELIGON ISLAM HAI MAGAR ISKE FOLLOWER SUBSE KHARAB HAI.Agar islamic history parho to dil kaap jata hai ki huzoor ke maanne wale aur itne zalim aaj bhi jitna nuksaan islam ko musalmano se pahutch raha hai kisi aur se nahi.

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 130  Post: 7671  Age:  55  
Posted on:1st Apr 2011, 1:55am
 

agreed with RANI111

DUNIYA KA SUBSE ACCHA RELIGON ISLAM HAI MAGAR ISKE FOLLOWER SUBSE KHARAB HAI.

LEKIN

- mosalmaan sab say kharaab kiyouN haiN????

agar deen e islam sab say achaa aur kaamil deen hai, aur yaqeenan hai to phir iskay "follower" (yani mosalmaan) sab say achay kyouN nahi... logically aisaa mumkin hi nahi......... yaa to (nauzobillah) DEEN e ISLAM kharaab hai...... yaa phir "mosalmaan" deenay islam k "true follower" nahi haiN... sab hi (apnay paraa.ay sab) yeh muttafaqah taur par kahengay k mosalmaan "apnay deen" par iski rooh k motaabiq amal nahi kar rahay.

ISLAM ka basic aur original source sirf aur sirf QURAN aur HADEES hai...jab tak mosalmaan Allah ki rassi (Quran n hadees) ko mazbooti say nahi thaam letay... yaani sirf aur sirf quran o hadees k motaabiq apni zindagi nahi guzaarnay lagtay, woh kabhi bhi REAL MOSALMAAN ya sab say achay insaan nahi ban saktay....... sab aabaayee masalak ko choR kar quran o hadees ko thaam lenaa hi "mosalmaanoun" k deen o dunyaa maiN kaamyaabi ki zamaanat hai..... true muslim wohi hai jo HAzrat Muhammad saw aur onkay sahabah RA k deen par qaaim ho... aur woh nah sunni thay nah shia nah kuch aur

Bewaqoof Bhai:
welcome back...aap k beghair to forum soona soona saa hogaya thaa...ab omeed hai k raunaq lag jayegi :)


H/dr_Qasim Group: Members  Joined: 10th Sep, 2010  Topic: 185  Post: 6559  Age:  36  
Posted on:1st Apr 2011, 10:01am
 

Muslak

Musluk kisi ka koi bhe ho, kisi bhe Firqaa say ho osko Woh Rasta apnana chayeh jo Straight ho seeda ho jisko Quran meah Suraat-a-Mostaqeem bola ghiya hay, Behtur hay munzal ko pany kay leyeh choti choti Ghuliyoon, link roads say gozzurny kay Super High way apnaya jay,

Apny muslak meah mojood achi bato ko follow kurin jo Quran or Hudess say Qureeb tur hon or on bato or Aqayid or theories ko giveup kurty howy apny aqeedy ko behtur keyaa jay, Muslak say nahi Neyaat , emaan or aqeeda say baz porss ki jay ghi. koi bhe kisi bhe muslak say hay lakin oski niyaat , aqeeda , emaan Quran or hudess say Qureeb tur hay tu woh right way pur hay,
Diplomate Group: Members  Joined: 18th Oct, 2009  Topic: 53  Post: 3435  Age:  37  
Posted on:1st Apr 2011, 4:37pm
 

Hamaray Nabi SAW ka Maslak kya tha?

hmmmm nice topic ...:))

Nabi pak (s.a.a.w) ka maslak daikhny sy pehly hamain "maslak" k maano par ghor karna hoga yeh word aya kahan sy aur iss ka kia matlab hay iss word ka kis par ittlaaq hota hay aur kis par iss ka ittlaq nahi hota ..:)

"maslak" aik shari istelah hay issy "as'aaluka" sy talmeez , tojeeh kiya geya hay aur quran main "as'aaluka" ka word "sawal karna , poochna , istafsaar karna waghaira k maano main istemaal howa hay ....maslak choun k as'aaluka ki talmeez hay iss liye maslak ka ittlaaq har uss ze sh'aoor par hota hay jisy kuch poochny ki hajat ho jo apny amoor main kuch jan'na chahta ho , jo apni ebadaat ki adaygi main khud authentic na ho khud sy islam k kisi khukam ki wazahat na kar sakta ho (ijtemaaie + infiraadi)

to jin fuqha sy koi deeni amoor main darustagi wa guide line ka talb gaar fard / afraad apny deeni amoor (ebadaat) main guide line lain gay ya taleemat par amal paira hon gain goya wo aik maslak ki larri main jurrty jaien gay ..aam insan fuqha tak aur fuqha ayma (a.s) wa anbiya (a.s) sy apni taleemat k liye "sayel" hain laiken khud ambiya (a.s) kahan sy allah ki ebadaat k liye rahnumaiee lain ..??

yaqeenan khuda sy hi bray-e-rast guide line lain gy aur khud par apply kar k hum aam insano tak muntiqal kar dain gy ...aur haqeeqat main aysa hi hay.... abb jis jis ny aap (s.a.a.w) ki taleemat (islam) ko jaisy samjha aur jaisy "as'aaluka" ko kaam main laya waisa waisa hi uss shakhas ya ashkhaas ka maslak banta geya ...

laiken agar aap (s.a.a.w) k maslak ki baat ki jaye to wo wohi maslak hay jo khuda ka maslak hay abb koi yeh sawal na kar dy k allah ka konsa maslak hay? ..:)
WEHSHI Group: Members  Joined: 17th Aug, 2010  Topic: 46  Post: 2521  Age:  49  
Posted on:1st Apr 2011, 9:30pm
 

Nabi SAW ka maslak

NAbi SAW ka maslak ISLAM tha

aur yehi woh deen hai jo Allah ne hum sab k liyay pasand fermaya hai

koi bhi kisi bhi hadees se yeh sabit ker de k Nabi SAW ka maslak HANFI, MALKI, HMBALI,SHIYA, BERAILVI, DEOBANDI, SHAFAEE ya WAABI , SALFI main se koi aik bhi tha to main usi maslak ko apna loon ga

yeh sab makatib e fiker hain

in azeem insano ne Allah in per rehmat keray sirif itna kiya tha k woh log jo arab nhn ya Nabi SAW k zamany k baad a un k liyay deen ko asaan kernay k liyay mehnat ki aur deen se nizam e hayat ko ikhtisar e apnay apnay lehaz se akhaz kr k likh diya takay log usay perah kr rehnumaai hasil kerain

lakin hum ne to unhain kufer aur islam ki jang bana liya hai

isi liay koi bhi shakhas musalman ho kr preshan ho jata hai k woh kya keray kis mslak ko apnay kiun her aik to dooseray ko kafir kehta hai

aur is ki base hain humaray woh ulama jinhon ne in afkaar ko mazhab bana diya

mera maslak MOHAMMADI hai kiun k main kisi imaam ko nhn manta sirif MOHAMMAD SAW meray imam hain aur apnay masail main khud Quran aur hadees se amjhta hun ya samjhnay ki koshish kerta un

jis din her musalman aisa kernay lagay ga to mera kayal hai k koi humain nhn jhuka sakay ga na lera saky ga

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 130  Post: 7671  Age:  55  
Posted on:2nd Apr 2011, 2:28am
 

well said WEHSHI

main kisi imaam ko nhn manta sirif MOHAMMAD SAW meray imam hain aur apnay masail main khud Quran aur hadees se amjhta hun ya samjhnay ki koshish kerta hun....

g bay shak... yehi sahabah karaam RA ka bhi tareeqah hai k onhouN nay sirf aur sirf Hazrat Muhammad saw ko hi apna imaam, peer, leader, role model banayaa... jabkay aajkay :firqah parastouN" ka imaam koi aur hai, peer koi aur hai, role model koi aur hai,

jab tak ham sirf aur sir quran o sunnat ko nahi thaam letay aur hazrat Muhammad ki zaat ko hi apna role model nahi banaa letay, ham deen dunyaa douNouN maiN zaleel o khaar hotay rahengay......... magar aisa karnay say firqah parast imaamouN, molviyouN, allamaa'ouN k "daal roTi" ka kia bnaegaa....woh to apnay apnay firqah .maslak ki dokaan.daari say hi kamaa khaa rahay haiN..... aik misaal:

yeh log quran o hadees ki books ko etna nahi print /publish /marketting nahi kartay jetna apnay apnay imaamouN, molviyouN ki books k karobaar say munsalik haiN... quran o ahaadees k only taraajum yaa tafseer o tashreeh par mabni books kam market maiN laatay haiN... apnay apnay firqay k leadrouN ki books zeyadah say zeyadah farokht kartay haiN......... phir deen k naam par ki gayee beshtar bid'aat /rasoomaat bhi kamayee ka besh bahaa zariyah hai... moharram k das rozah rasoomaat, eid miladunnabi ki taqreebaat, bozorgouN k urs, halway maanDay, shab baraat, koonDay, yeh sab kia haiN mahaz awaam ki jaibaiN khaali karaa kar khawaas ki jaibaiN bharnay ka doosra naam hi t hai... kis Nabi kareem saw k ISLAM maiN aisaa kuch thaa????
softleap78 Group: Members  Joined: 29th Jul, 2010  Topic: 11  Post: 287  Age:  37  
Posted on:2nd Apr 2011, 8:21am
 

RE: Hamaray Nabi SAW ka Maslak kya tha?

AOA. main sab members ka bohat shukar guzaar hoon jinhon nay apnay achay knowledge say nawaza

main most of members say agree karta hon specially Weshi aur myrizvi say.
jaysa ka sab members is cheez say muttfiq kain kay hamaray pyaray Nabi SAW ka koi maslak nain tha aur na hi unhon nay Sihaba ikraam RA ko kisi maslak bananay ki taqeen ki, magar aj ap daikh lian har koi maslak ko kisi immam say munslik karta hay chahy wo sunni ho ya wahabi koi kahta hay kay sunni immam abu hanifa ko follow kartay hian aur wahhabi immam malik ko....etc. aur agar ap say koi poochay ka ap kon nain to ap batain kay mian musalmaan hon to wo zaroor poochain gay kay ap ka maslak kya hay, sunni , wahabi, shia, dawbani. agar ap kahian kay mara koi maslak nian to wo kahtay hian kay kisi maslak ko follow kiya bagayr koi sahi muslmaan nain ho sakta, ma nay ya q is liya post kiya kay mujh say kisi nay poocha ka mara maslak kya hay aur mara jawab tha ka muslmaan aur mujhay agay say jawab yahi mila jo mian nay pahlay bataya hay kay bagayr kisi maslak kay muslmaan nain ho sakta, agar hamary pyaray Nabi SAW ka koi maslak nain tha to kya ham bagayr maslak kay muslmaan nain ho saktay?

mian nay aik book main islamic history ko read kiya kay Nabi SAW nay 10 hijri hujja tul wida par deen mukammal kar diya aur takmeelay deen kay 70 saal baad immam abu hanifa payda hoay, 83 saal baad immam malik, 140 saal baad immam shafi aur 154 saal baad immam ahmad bin hanbal payda hoy, history batati hay ka takmeel deen kay 400 saal baad tak kisi maslak ka wajood nain tha even kay jin immamo kay saath maslak ko munslik kiya jata hay wo to takmeelay deen say 154 saal tak aay aur 400 saal tak koi maslak nain tha to is ka matlab hay kay us kay baad maslak banay aur ya maslak kisi immam nay nain banay

but sab loog har maslak ko kis na kisi immam kay saath munslik kartay hain wo kyun?

agar ap mari baat karain to main kisi maslak ko follow nain kart aur jo cheez mujhay Quran aur Hadith aur sunnat kay mutabaq lagti hay to wo maan layta hon. is ka kya matlab hay kay main muslmaan nain? kya mara maslak hona muslmaan honay say bi zayda zaroori hay?

WEHSHI Group: Members  Joined: 17th Aug, 2010  Topic: 46  Post: 2521  Age:  49  
Posted on:3rd Apr 2011, 6:48pm
 

MASLAk

jab hum education k liyay kahin bhi admission letay hain to humain basic books di jati hain takay hum un se perah kr samajh kr exams ki tayari kerain

lakin akser hum apni susty, kahli aur had harami ki wajah se GHUIDES aur TEST PAPRS ka sahara letay hain

chti classes mai to un se pass ho jatay hin kabhi kabhi lakin beri classes main jahan asal knowledge ka exam hota hai wahan GUIDES aur TEST PAPERS se tayari kr k exam denay walay akse peechay rehjatay hain aur fail bhi ho jatay hain koi guarenty nhn hoty un ki

yehi haal humaray deen ka hai jab hum ne is duniya ki class main admission liyay aur QAYAMAT k beray exam ki tayari shuru ki to Allah ne humain QURAN k basic book di au apnay sab se piyaray aur beray teacher NABI SAW ko humari rehnumai k liyay heja

ab ap isay humari had harami keh len , susti ya kali balkay mear nazdeek badqismat k hum ne us basic book QURAN ko bhi chor diya aur un AZEEM USAD NABI SAW ki taleem ko bhi aur in masalkon ki guides aur test papers main ulajh gai hain

in AZEEM imaam hazrat ki books aur ilam se hum fayeda to le saktay hain is deen ko samjhnay main lakin inhain base bana kr hum QAYAMAT kberay exam ki tayari nhn kr saktay

yeh sab imaam RH A bohat azeem thay jinhon ne apni puri life deen k liyay laga di

lakin aik bat ki guarenty kon de ga k jo kuch unhin ne kaha tah woh hum tak mukamal bhi pohancha ?

QURAN ki hifazat ka wada to ALLAH ki zat ne khud fermaya isi liyay koi sak hi nhn ho skta

isi trah NABI SAW ki zindagi aur AHADEES isi QURAN ka amli namuna hai tojab QURAN ki hifazat ALLAH ki guarenty to us ki tashreeh yaniAHADEESki hifazat bhi ALLAH ki guarenty

aaj jab k 1000 shakook hain hadees k baray k un main ghalat hadees shamil hain

mera dawa hai k jo QURAN ko samajh kr perhta hai woh foran ghalat hadees ko pehchan leta hai

sab ko meri dawat ai k ap QURAN ko samjh kr translation k sath perhain ap heran reh jain gay k ahadees ap k samnay saaf ho jain gi k konsi jhooti hai ya ghalat

Alla hum sab ko hidayet ataa kery

Aameen

kiun k hum kuch bhi kr len jab tak Allah humari sahi rehnumaai nhn keray ga hum sahi hidayet nhn pa saktay

softleap78 Group: Members  Joined: 29th Jul, 2010  Topic: 11  Post: 287  Age:  37  
Posted on:4th Apr 2011, 12:21pm
 

re: hamaray NABI SAW ka maslak?


main nay apni post mian kuch jaga (?) ka sign diya ha agar ho sakay to us ka jawab bi da dian.
maray khayal say ajkal hamaray andar maslakism itni koot koot kar bhar di gai hay kay ham har cheez ko pahlay maslak ki roh say daikhtay hian kay sahi hay kay nain. agar maslak us kaam ko theek kahta hay to kar laytay hain warna nain. halanka ham ko islaam ko follow karna chahya na ka maslak.
jaysa ka wehshi bhai nay example di hay theek usi tarah insaan jab dunya mian ata hay to us ko kuch pata nain hota aur jab kuch seekhnay ka qabil hota hay to us kay zahan mian ham maslak daal daytay hain kay tum sunni , wahabi, dwbandi , shia etc ho aur is maslak say hat kay tumhain koi cheez milay to wo nain karni. aur jab hamain apnay bachpan mian ya seekhnay ko milay ga to ham baray ho kar bi is par hi qaim rahain gay

jahan tak mara mujhay knowledge hay insaan ko dunya mian anay ka baad aik ustaad ki zaroorat hoti hay na kay kisi maslak ki aur wo ustaad ap kay parents bi ho saktay hain koi Allah ka naik banda ya koi Auliya ikraam bi ho sakta hain.
main aj tak kafi logoon nay pooch chuka hon maslak kay baray mian kay maslak kay bagayr muslmaan kyun nahin ho saktay. par koi mujhay satisfy nain kar saka. jabkay hamaray pyaaray Nabi SAW ki sunnat aur hadith say aysa koi refrence nain milta kay maray baad maslak bana layna aur aik doosray ki jaan kay dushman ban jana. ham kisi surat kisi bi Auliya ikraam ya kis immam ko kuch nain kah saktay bcoz kay wo hamaray liya ustaad hain aur ham nay un say sikhna hay

WEHSHI Group: Members  Joined: 17th Aug, 2010  Topic: 46  Post: 2521  Age:  49  
Posted on:5th Apr 2011, 6:02am
 

softleap78

Maslak/ Fiqah/ Firqah

yeh sab naam Nabi SAW k baad ki ijaad hain aur jo cheez Nabi SAW k baad hui hai usay hum nhn mantay yehi humara aqeeda hona chahyay

mera sab members aur readers se aik sawal hai

JO KUCH AAJ KAL ISLAM , NAAIK AAMAAL, SAWAB K NAAM PER HO RAH AHAI KYA YEH SAB KAAM NABI SAW NE KIYAY ? AGER NHN TO KIUN? KYA NABI SAW KO ( NAUZO BILAAH) IN KA PATA NHN THA YA NABI SAW NE (NAUZO BILLAH) YEH HUM SE CHUPAAI? YA HUMARAY AJ K NAAM NEHAD ULAMA ( SUB NHN) KO ZIYADAH ILAM HAI K KON SA KAAM SAWAB KA HAI?

in sab sawalon ka aik hi jawab hai NAHEEN

yani jo kuch ISLAM k baray Allah ne Nabi SAW ko batay Aap SAW ne hum tak pohancha diya aur Haja tul wida k din 124000 sahab se is baat ka iqrar bhi liya

is liyay us k baad imaam maslak fiqah firqah sab deen k liyay helpfull to shayed hon lakin islam ka hisa ya islam nhn hain

aap k 3 sawalon k jawab meri naqis aqal aur ilam k hisab se

1

islam k bina yeh maslak bekaar hain lakin in k baghair islam mukamal hai

Quran ka pehli bar kisi bhi zuban main tarjuma 1810 main shayed huw atha jisay MOLANA UBAIDULLAH SINDHI ne kiya tha SINDHI zuban main

us k baad phir farsi, urdu aur deeger zubanon main huwa

us waqt k ulama ne shuru main to shadeed mukhalfat ki thi k Quran ka tarjuma kr k inhon ne Quran ki toheen ki hai aur un per fatwa bhi de diya tha

us ki asal wajah baad main samnay aai k jab Quran aam zuban main ho ga to sab ko parah kr samjhnay main asani ho gi aur her choti baat k liyay aam musalman molvi ka paband nhn ho ga her bat molvi saheb se pooch kr kerni hai

aap ko sub ker herat ho gi k 1970 k baad tak pakistan k 60% se ziyadah ilaqon yani dehaat main bakra ya chicken k zibah k waqt molvi sahb ki mojudgi zaruri thi kiun k molvi saheb k baqol zibah kernay ki TAKBEER sirif unhi ko aati hai is ki wajah yeh thi k kis k gher gosht paka hai molvi saheb k ilam main rahay aur us gher se khana na aanay per woh gher walay ataab ka shikar hon

shayed ap log isay mazaq samjho lakin yeh haqeeqat hai

imamo aur maslak ki buniyad bhi yehi thi k awam un naas molviyon ki mohtaj rahay

meri is bat yani lafaz molvi se murad humaray woh ulama ya molvi hazrat hain jo deen ko apni merzi se mortay hain aur paisay le ker fatway detay hain

ager aaj pakistan aur india main research ki jai to shayed 10% se ziyadah aisay husband wife hon gay ko k talaaq k baad bhi sath reh rahay hain aur bachay bhi paid akr rahay hain aur haram kari ker rahay hain

us ki bunyadi wajah yehi hai k unhain paisay de ker aisay fatway mil jatay hain jin k hisab se talaaq nhn hui

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Allah ne humain musalman paid akiya hai humaray liyay deen islam diya hai to bas hum musalman hona pasand kerain gay

aaj kisi se poocho ap kon hain to pehla jawab milta hai SINDHI/ PATHAN/ PUNJABI/ BALOCHI/ MOHAJIR/ SERAAIKI

aur doosera

HANFI/ DEO BANDI/ WAHABI/ SALFI/ SHIYA/ BRELVI/ EHL E SUNNAT ETC

kiun k hum khud ko musalman kehlwanay ki bijaai maslak se pehchan pasand kertay hain

aik bat poochta hun sab se

aap aik gher banaao aur us k baher ap k bachay aur bv mil ker name plate laga den ap k naam ki bijaai kisi aur k naam ki to ap kya kero gay ?

aisa hi hai hum ne Allah k Nabi k sath cheat kiya hai aur un k deen per imamo k label laga diyay hain

ab un ka ghusa aur ghazab kesa ho ga yeh hum sab soch bhi len to sudher jain

Allah hum sab ko sahi rasta dikhai aur us per chalnay ki tifeeq ata keray

aameen

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Posted on:5th Apr 2011, 3:27pm
 

Mazhab , Deen , Maslak

yahan jo b batain ho rahi hain wo deen aur maslak ko aik hi nazar sy daikhny ki bina par deen aur maslak ko apis main gud mud kar rahi hain , sab sy pehly iss baat ko clear hona chahiye k deen aur maslak main farq hay

deen sirf Islam hay iss k muqably main Cristian-ism , Jew-ism , Budha-ism , Ca-monism , Hindu-ism waghaira sab mazhab hain

agar deen vs mazhab ki baat ho to phir to baghair kisi hich'kachahat k aik musalmaan deen islam ki hi azmat biyaan kary ga aur Islam ko deegar mazaahab k muqably main afzal samjhy ga (haqeeqat main aysa hi hay) laiken agar Deen Islam k andar ki baat ho to yahan maslak ki qaid sy bahar nikla hi nahi jaa sakta ...

mukhtilaf maslak ka ban jana qabal-e-aitraaz nahi hay q k ye akhtelaaf-e-roy ki bina par wajood main aty hain aur aik hadees k mafhoom k mutabiq akhtelaaf-e-roy ummat main bays-e-rehmat hay ..asal masla yeh hay k yahi ikhtelaaf-e-roy jo k rehmat ka bays hay iss ko zaati ikhtelaaf bana kar zehmat bana diya geya hay ...aur iss zehmat ki muzammat quran ny b ki hay aur irshad hay k allah ki rassi ko mazbooti sy tham lo aur apis main tafarqa mat karo ..

yeh aya majeeda jahan ummat main ittefaaq-o-ittehaad ka dars dey rahi hay waheen iss aya majeeda sy yeh b sabit ho raha hay k ummat main aik sy ziyada maktab ban jaien gy aur ikhtelaaf-e-roy zaati ikhtelaaf main badal jaye ga tabi to allah ny hukam k tor par dars dy diya k apis main tarfaqa mat karo aur aik ho jao

jis andaaz sy b islam par amal kiya jaraha hoga wo la'muhala tor par kisi na kisi maslak ki taleemat ki hi akaasi ho rahi ho gi

maslan agar issi baat par iktefaa kiya jaye k islam par chalny k liye sirf quran aur hadees hi wahid source hain to aysi sorat main koi b shakhas jo quran pak ka tarjma apni zuban main parr kar hadayet lainy ka khuwahan ho ga wo yaqeenan aysy mufassir ka kiya howa tarjma hi parrna pasand kary ga ya amal kary ga jo mufassir uss k apny maslak ka hoga aur jis mufassir ki taleemat par wo amal kar raha ho ga

agar koi yeh kahy k wo na shia hay na sunni hay na deubandi hay na wahabi hay na kuch aur hay wo sirf musalmaan hay to bhala aysa ho sakta hay k aysa shakhas amal karny k liye "Pervaiz Ahmed" (parvaizi firqa ka baani) ka tarjma shuda quran pak hadayet lainy aur amal karny k liye parry ?

agar amal karny k liye "parwaiz ahmed" ka tarjma shuda quran parrta hay to la'muhala tor par uss ka taluqq pervaizi maslak sy jurr jata hay , issi trah khud ko muslimaan kehny wala agar kisi sunni mufassir ka tarjma amal karny k liye parrta hay to wo sunni kehlaye ga , shia mufassir ka tarjma amal karny k liye parrny wala shia kehlaye ga ..issi trah deegar makaatab k bary main hay

abb source to aik hi hay yaani quran pak laiken iss sy shaakh dar shaakh naye maktab phot'ty jaaty hain .. agar koi qurani taleemat par amal karna chahta hay to ya to wo khud arbic daan ho aur khud arbic talafuz ko , asloob ko min-o-ann samjh saky to phir to kaha ja sakta hay k yeh banda sirf muslim hay na shia hay na sunni hay na deubandi hay na kuch aur hay balky yeh sirf muslim hay

laiken agar aysa possible nahi hay to la'muhala tor par har shakhas ka taluq kisi na kisi maslak sy jurr jata hay

yahan baat aap (s.a.a.w) k maslak k bary main ho rahi hay to main ooper apni pehli post main b arz kar chuka hoon k maslak ka ittlaaq hum jaisy aam insano par hota hay aap (s.a.a.w) ki zaat par maslak ka itlaaq nahi hota ...

iss ki misal issi trah hay k agar aik class main aik teacher kuch samjhay aur wahan majood students apni apni samjh k mutabiq ustaad ki baat ko samjhain to iss main teacher ka qasoor nahi k uss ny har student ko aik hi baat alag alag samjha di ..balky asal masla students ki apni samjh ka hoga...yahi haal islam ko samjhny main mukhtlaf "talib ilmon" ka hay samjhaany waly ny baat ko samjha diya laiken samjhny walon ny uss baat ko apny apny andaz sy samjha hay jis ki waja sy mslak wajood main aye hain
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Posted on:5th Apr 2011, 3:56pm
 

to wehshi

aik to aap ki profile aur aap ki ID daikh kar dar lagta hay k aap kis trah k bandy hon gy ...:)) bura mat maniye ga apni profile edit kar lain ID ki khair hay ..aap k islamic replies aap ki profile sy match nahi karty...:))....khair ...

re : "yani jo kuch ISLAM k baray Allah ne Nabi SAW ko batay Aap SAW ne hum tak pohancha diya aur Haja tul wida k din 124000 sahab se is baat ka iqrar bhi liya"

kia aap ny hajja tul wida k moqa par diya jany wala aap (s.a.a.w) ka poora khutba parraha hay ? ya kisi aalim-e-deen ki zubani suna hay ? agar jawab haan hay to aap ko yeh b ilam hoga k iss khutba main aik aya majeeda "al-yoma akmalta kum deena" mafhoom > "aaj k din deen mukamil kar diya geya" k sath iss khutba ka aghaz ho raha hay wahan iss aya majeeda ka shan-e-nazool kia hay ?

kia aap (s.a.a.w) allah ki traf sy ata karda deen ko mukamal karny k baad lawaris chorr kar jarahy thy ? aaj ka aik aam insan agar apni koi cheez kaheen chorrta hay to uss k kai kai muhafiz muqrar kar k jata hay ..yeh kaisy mumkin hay aqa-e-do jahan deen ko mukamil kar k jarhy hain laiken kisi ko muhafiz na bana kar jaien ..aysa possible hi nahi hay ...!!!

re : "is liyay us k baad imaam maslak fiqah firqah sab deen k liyay helpfull to shayed hon lakin islam ka hisa ya islam nhn hain"

aap (s.a.a.w) ny jahan deen k mukamil hony ka ilaan kiya wahan deen k aynda k liye muhafiz ka b elaan kiya aur aik hadees b biyaan farmaiee k "man kun'to mola fa'haza ali'yun mola" jis ka main (s.a.a.w) mola uss ka ali (a.s) mola" iss hadees sy yeh sabit hota hay k aap (s.a.a.w) ny deen mukmil karny ka elaan kiya aur aynda k liye deen k paishwaa ka b ilaan kar diya agar aap (s.a.a.w) k baad kisi ko deen lainy , deen samjhny ki hajat ho to wo Ali (a.s) ki taleemat sy roojo kary jin k bary main aap (s.a.a.w) ka irshad hay k "ana madeena tul ilam wa ali'yun baabo haa" yaani main (s.a.a.w) ilam ka shaher hoon aur ali (a.s) uss ka darwaza hain"

iss liye yeh kaisy keha ja sakta hay k aap (s.a.a.w) ki hayaat mubarika k baad kisi imaam ki islam main koi gunjaiesh nahi hay halan k khud nabi pak (s.a.a.w) apny wasi aur jan'nasheen ka apni hayaat main elaan kar rahy hain ..
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Posted on:5th Apr 2011, 8:45pm
 

Hamaray Nabi SAW ka Maslak kya tha?

Brother actually deen ek hi hai jiska naam islam hai.......sects jo Muhammad S.A.W k doar mai nahi thay baad mai banay uski kafi wojohaat mojood hain..............sab se bari wajah islam dushmanaan e islam ki hi hai..............jinho nay sects main musalmano ko baant dia ahadees mubaraka khud se bhi bana kay and unka matlab kuch ka kuch nikaal kay.............ye to us wakt roknay wala kaam tha jab ye saazish rachi jarahi thi likin aesa na hosaka aur ajj loag sects bana kar ghalat fehmiyo aur ghalat salat baton aur kamo ka shikaar hain.........

mera personal opinion yehi hai kay jo loag apne andar aur apne sect kay andar doubt feel kartay hain unhain chahiyai kay wo nazar e saani zaroor karain..... fozol behes o mubahisay say kuch hasil nahi hoga...........inshallah jab wo research karain gay khud se har chez ko dekhain gay to Allah Talah bhi unki rehnumaye farmayen gay.........

if we talk about some particular sect for example like sunni, in sunni there are no sects.........there are branches of sunni in other words different schools of same head.....jis school se chahay app taleem lain....in sab ka rasta ek hi hai....in contrast with other religion outside of sunni .....yes they are called sects......but you must know that not every sect is purely true.....aese sects k andar aesi practices bhi shamil hoti hain jo Hamaray pyaray nabi pak S.A.W k zamanay mai mojood nahi hoti thin.....thats why jin sects main aesi batain paye jayen jo pyaray nabi S.A.W kay zamanay main mojood nahi thi....we can say that these sects must review themselves again...is tarha hum dekh saktay hain kay konsa sects hamaray nabi ka islam hai aur konsa sect bhatka hoa hai.......and God knows well :)
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da'eef hadees

"aap (s.a.a.w) ny jahan deen k mukamil hony ka ilaan kiya wahan deen k aynda k liye muhafiz ka b elaan kiya aur aik hadees b biyaan farmaiee k "man kun'to mola fa'haza ali'yun mola" ...................................................................................main (s.a.a.w) ilam ka shaher hoon aur ali (a.s) uss ka darwaza hain"


.........................answer to this paragraph

apki qoute karda hadees tirmizi hadees number ( 3713 ) and ibn e maja hadees number ( 121 ) ne rivayat ki hai......likin ye line hadees ki sahi nahi (haikun'to mola fa'haza ali'yun mol)a ....kitni hi riwayatain aesi hoti hain jo raviyon ki kasrat aur mutadid tark se biyan ki jati hain.......halankay wo hadees zaeeef hoti hai..jesa kay yeh hadees (jiska main wali hon Ali R.A bhi uskay wali hain)............ye qoul gharz sahi kitabon mai to nahi hai likin ulama nay isay biyan kia aur iski tasheeh mai ikhtilaaf kia.....imam bukhari aur ibrahim harbi muaddeseen kay ek groh se ye mankol hai kay unhon nay is qoul main ta'an kia hai aur iskay baad wala qoul اللھم وال من والاہ وعاد من عاداہ (akhir tak) bila shuba kazb aftarah hai.

agar ye jumla ( من کنت مولاہ فعلی مولاہ ) sahi bhi maan lia jaye aur iske sahi honay se kisi bhi haal main ye hadees mai un kalmaat ki ziyadti ki daleel nahi bansakti jinka ghaliyo nay is hadees mai izafa kia hai takay wo hazrat Ali R.A ko baki sab sahaba R.A se afzal karaar desakain..........ya phir baaki sab sahaba R.A pe Ta'an karsakain kay inhon nay inka haq salab kia tha.

is hadees kay meanings main bhi ikhtilaaf kia gaya hai.........ahadees saheeh main ye baat sabit aur maroof hai kay Nabi S.A.W kay baad ummat mai afzal tareen shaksiyat Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique R.A hain aur khilafat kay baad wohi ziada haqdaar thay .......unke baad Hazrat Umar Bin Al khattab R.A........phir Hazrat Usman Bin Affaan R.A aur inkay baad Hazrat Ali Bin Abi Talib R.A thay likin inka koi mukaabla nahi hai na hi koi kisi se bartar hai apni kisi fazelat ki bunyaad pe kay wo sab sahaba R.A se afzal ho.......sab musalmano ko aesi ho soch rakhni chahiyai bajaye iske k wo sahaba karaam R.A ko ek dosre pe tarjeeh dene ki bunyaad pe apne alag firkay tajveez karlain......

is hadees main moula or waliمولا ولی jo kay udo عدو ki zid hai kay meanings main hain to iska meaning ye hoga...........kay jis say main mohabbat karta hon Ali R.A bhi us say muhabbat kartay hain aur ye bhi meaning hosakta hai kay "jo mujhse muhabbat karta hai Ali R.A us say muhabbat kartay hain.

hadees mai moula ka zikr kaye ek baar hoa hai .........ye ek aesa ism hai jo buhut se meanings per waki hoa hai jese kay

الرب ، المالک ، السید ، المنعم ( نتمتیں کرنے والا ) ، المعتق آزاد کرنےوالا ) ، الناصر(مددکرنے والا) ، المحب ( محبت کرنےوالا ) ، التابع ( پیروی کرنے والا) ، الجار(پڑوسی ) ، ابن العم ( چچا کا بیٹا ) ، حلیف ، العقید( فوجی افسر ) ، الصھر ( داماد) العبد ( غلام ) ، العتق ( آزاد کیا گیا ) ، المنعم علیہ ( جس پرنعمتیں کی جائيں ) ۔


in meanings main aksar to hadees main ward hain jinka izafat kay aetebaar se mayenay kia jata hai ..........to jisnay bhi koi kaam kia ya wo kaam uskay supurd hoa to uska mola aur wali hai.........aur hadees mazkora ko in mazkora isma main se aksar par mahmool kia jasakta hai

Quran pak main Allah Talah ka farmaan hai kay

"یہ اس لیے کہ اللہ تعالی مومنوں کا مولی ومددگار ہے اور کافروں کا کوئ بھی مولی ومددگارنہیں۔"

yani is say islam ki wala ولاء muraad hai, walayaولایہ ko imamat par mahmool karna sahi nahi hai jo musalmano kay omoor main tasawwuf hai...........kyun kay Nabi Pak S.A.W ki hayaat mubaraka main mustakil toar par tasawwuf karnay walay to khud Nabi Pak S.A.W hi hain aur inkay ilawa koi aur nahi to isliyai isay muhabbat aur wala islam aur is jese meanings per mahmool karna zarori hai.....

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Posted on:6th Apr 2011, 3:13am
 

WEHSHI Vs Diplomate

agreed with diplomate nikka pra g k:

WEHSHI bro ki profile onki replies say "match' nahi karti..... lehaza aap (kam az kam:) apni profile ko edit kar laiN... aur (zeyadah say zeyadah) maujoodah profession choR kar koi "islami pesha" ikhteyaar kar laiN.


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Posted on:6th Apr 2011, 7:22am
 

diplomate, rizvi

Rizvi saheb

ISLAMIC PESHA to phir molviyat hi hai :)

ap k sab sawalon ka aik jawab

islaam Nabi SAW ka deen nhn balkay Allah ka deen hain jis ki taleem k liyay Allah ne Nabi SAW ko bheja

jab deen Allah ka hai to is ki hifazat ka zimaa bhi Allah ka hi hai

aur yeh wada bhi Allah ne quran main hi kiya hai is Quran ki hifaz qayamat tak k liyay Allah ki zat khud keray gi

bibal aur torat ki terah nhn k jis main un k perkaron ne changes kr din

Allah ne kahin nhn kaha k Nabi SAW k baad bhi is deen ko kisi saharay ki zarurat hai

jab lafaz Nabi aakhir uzman kaha gaya to is ka matlab yehi hai k Nabi SAW k baad umaat ka her ferd imam hai

hadees k alfaz hain k ilam hasil kerna her musalman merd aurat per faraz hai to is ka matlab hai k deen ka ilam

her musalman apni zat k liyay aik aalim hona chahyay

ager aap history main perha huwa yaad kero to andaza ho ga k british rule se pehlay humaray sub continent main her musalman educated tha

kisi ko apnay daily problems k liyay kisi molvi ya mufti k pass nhn jana perta tha

balkay sirif QAZI se faisla sadir hota tha

lakain angrezon ne aa ker jis education ki buniyad dali us ne educated aur non educated ki buniyad rakhi

islami taleem aur duniyawi talem main tafreeq ki

aur humaray haan jehalat ki buniyad peri

ap k mutabiq agr ummat ki taleem k liyay imamo ki zarurat hai to kiun 4 iamamon ki taleemat ne musalmano ko tafreeq kiya

agar Nabi SAW k baad kisi imam ki zarurat baqi thi to kiun Nabi SAW ne is k baray nhn bataya k meray baad imama aain gay

balkay Aap SAW ne to yeh fermaya k meray sahaba main se kisi ki bhi pervi kr lo gay to falah paa jao gay

ab hum ne un 4 sahaba ko to imaam banaya nhn lakian un k baad imam bana liyay

aur imaam ka lafzi matlab hai umaat ko le ker chalnay wala

to main kiun na Nabi SAW ko apna imaam manu?

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