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Four Daughters of Prophet Muhammad SAW

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Batman1 Group: Members  Joined: 25th Nov, 2011  Topic: 3  Post: 360  Age:  28  
Posted on:14th Mar 2012, 8:04pm
 

Four Daughters of Prophet Muhammad SAW

Aslaam-o-Alaikum 
kuch  hazraat rasool Allah saw ki 4 betion men sy sirf ek beti Hazrat Fatiam (s.a) ko  maanty he or baki 3 betian Hazrat Ruqayyah (s.a) Hazrat Umm Kulsoom (S.A) or Hazrat Zainab (S.A) ka inkaar krty hen or inhen Rasool Allah  saw ki soteli aulaad kehty hen ..  unhy ya to Hazrat Khadija (S.a) ki pahly shohar sy betian samajhty hen ya unki bhatijian  samajhty hen halan k yeh baat Quran sy bhi sabit hy k woh ksi gumnaam shaks ki yateem betian nahi thin balky Rassol Allah SAW ki apni sagi betian thi jis k baad ksi daleel ki zarurat nahi rehti lakin yeh baat mukhalif  jamaat ki motabar or top ki book say bhi sabit hy jis men in  teeno betion ko Rasool Allah saw ki apni sagi betian btaya hy or un k pahly ulamah ka bhi yeh hi mokaf raha hy .. men sirf un ki books ka hi hawala doon ga is article men.  

mujhy un ki jo books translation k sath mili hen men unka scan page show krun ga kuch books ki urdu translation nahi mili men unka shia ki online site sy image show kr dun ga takay reference clear ho jaye .

Al Quran: 

Sura Ahzaab ayat 59,
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style="text-align: right; ">             يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزۡوَٲجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡہِنَّ مِن جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ ذَٲلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن  يُعۡرَفۡنَ فَلَا يُؤۡذَيۡنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا

style="text-align: right; ">اے پیغمبر اپنی بیویوں اور بیٹیوں اور مسلمانوں کی عورتوں سے کہہ دو کہ (باہر نکلا کریں تو) اپنے (مونہوں) پر چادر لٹکا (کر گھونگھٹ نکال) لیا کریں۔یہ امر ان کے لئے موجب شناخت (وامتیاز) ہوگا تو کوئی ان کو ایذا نہ دے گا۔ اور خدا بخشنے والا مہربان ہے  style="text-align: right; ">                        style="text-align: right; ">
  
Quran ki is ayat men Allah ny Rasool SAW ko mukhatib kia hy or lafz bnatiaka istamaal hua hy jis ka matlab hy  unki 1 sy zaiada betian thin . agar sirf hazrat Fatimar ra unki beti hotin to lafs bintuka istamal hona  chahiay tha. or inhen ksi gumnaam shaks ki betian nahi kaha balky nabi SAW ki betian kaha hy..


ab men Un ki moatabar Kutub sy bhi hawala deta hun.


1. Hayatul Quloob Volume 2, Page 869 :


Moatabar sanad k zariay Imam Sadiq A.S sy riwayat hy k Rasool Allah SAW ki Hazrat Khadija ra k batan sy tahir, Qasim , Fatima, Umm Qulsoom, ruqayyah or Zainub hen . 
Ibn babua ny moatabr sanad k sath riwayat ki hy k Rasool Allah saw ki aulaad men sy janab khadija r.a ky shikam sy Qasim or Tahir, Umm Qulsoom , Ruqayyia, Zainub or fatima paida  huin. 
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isi hawaly sy men yahan ek or baat clear kr dun k jo shia hazraat yeh kehty hen k  yeh 3 betian Rasool Allah SAW ki sagi betian nahi thin balky hazrat Khadija ra k pahly shohar sy thin ya unki bahan ki betian thin to yeh dono aqwaal galat hen or  uska jawab isi kitaab men aagay page 871 pr dia hy k moatabr riwayat sy in dono aqwaal ka rad ho jata hy .. 
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2. Khasaal Sheikh Sadooq, page 223.

Hazrat Khadija r.a sy rasool khuda saw ki 6 auladen thin Qasim, Tahir k inka name Abdulla tha , umm kulsoom, ruqayyia, Zainab or fatima (A.S)
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3. (Tahzib al-Ahkam, Vol. 3, Pg. 106-122)

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style="text-align: right; ">اللهم صل على القاسم والطاهر ابني نبيك، اللهم صل على رقية بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك فيها، اللهم صل على ام كلثوم بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك فيها


Muhammad bin Yaqub sy riwayat hy abd salih ny kaha. Ramzaan k mahina shuru hony lagay to us sy pahly yeh dua kia kro.. Ay Allah fatima bint nabi saw pr rehmat nazil farma or jo un k zariay nabi saw ko takleef dety hen un pr Lanat nazil farma  Ay Allah Qasim or tahir ibn nabi saw pr rehmat nazil farma.. Ay Allah ruqayya bint nabi saw pr rehmat nazil farma or jo un k zariay Rasool saw ko takleef dety hen un par lanat nazil  farma.. Ay Allah Umm kulsoom bint Nabi saw pr rehmat nazil farma or jo un k zariay nabi saw ko takleef dety hen un pr Lanat nazil farma .. 

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4. (Baqir Majlisi, Mir'aat Al-'Uqool, vol. 5, pg. 181)
Hazrat Khadeja ra sy RAsool Allah saw k bachon men Zainab, Ruqayyah, Umm Kulsoom, Fatima Qasim or tahir paida huay
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5. (Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 1, pg. 439)
                                                                   
style="text-align: right; "> وقـال الـكـليني : وَ تَزَوَّجَ خَدِيجَةَ وَ هُوَ ابْنُ بِضْعٍ وَ عِشْرِينَ سَنَةً فَوُلِدَ لَهُ مِنْهَا قَبْلَ مَبْعَثِهِ ع الْقَاسِمُ وَ رُقَيَّةُ وَ زَيْنَبُ وَ أُمُّ كُلْثُومٍ وَ وُلِدَ لَهُ بَعْدَ الْمَبْعَثِالطَّيِّبُ وَ الطَّاهِرُ وَ فَاطِمَةُ ع وَ رُوِيَ أَيْضاً أَنَّهُ لَمْ يُولَدْ بَعْدَ الْمَبْعَثِ إِلَّا فَاطِمَةُ ع وَ أَنَّ الطَّيِّبَ وَ الطَّاهِرَوُلِدَا قَبْلَ مَبْعَثِهِ style="text-align: right; ">   
Rasool Allah SAW k ailaan nabuat sy pahly unky hazrat khadija ra sy jo  bacy paida huay un men Qasim ruquyaa zainub or umm kulsoom thin. 

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6. Ayatulla Jafar as-Subhani, Book The Message.

Prophet SAW ki wife sy 6 auladen huin jin men 4 betian thin. ibn hisham ny likha hy k un ki sub sy bari beti Ruqayyah thi or baki teen Zainab, Umme Kulsum or fatima . source  (Biharul Anwar vol. XXII pp. 151 – 152.)
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7. A Glance at the Life of the Holy Prophet of Islam” Chapter 4 “First Marriage”

Rasool saw ny hazrad Khadija ra k sath 25 saal guzaray or aapky is shadi sy 6 auladen huin jin men Qasim tahir thy jo bachpan men intaqaal kr gay or 4 betian thin jin k  name thy Ruqiyah, Zainab, Umm Kulsum or Fatima. 
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8. Abu Ali a fadl Tabarsi (book; Beacons of Light)

sach yeh hy k RAsool saw k Khadija ra k batan sy 2 betay or 4 Betian paida huin zainab, Ruqayyah Umm Kulsum or Fatima .
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9. The Gracious, by Abu – Muhammad Ordoni

Khadija Ra sy kai auladen paida huin jin men sirf 4 betian zinda bachin un men Zainab, Umme Kulsum, Ruqiya or fatima zahara thin jo  sub sy choti or sub men mumtaaz thin . historin men ikhtilaaf hy k pahli do betian rasool saw ki sotaili betian thin lakin haqeeqat yeh hy k woh aap SAW ki apni betian thin. 

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10. Nahjul Balagha, Khutba 163 .

Ali r.a ny Usman r.a sy kaha k jo hum ny dekha hy woh hi aapny dekha hy . jo hum ny suna hy woh hi aap ny suna hy. aap Rasool SAW ki sohbat men reh chuky hen jesy hum. abu bakar or umaar ibn khattab haq pr chalny k aapsy ziada zimaydaar nahi hen kiun k  aap  Allah k Rasool saw say unki rishtydari ki wja sy ziada kareeb hen in dono ki nisbat or apko damaad hony ka woh aizaaz hasil hy jo in dono ko nahi hy .. 
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11. Sheikh Al mufeed . kitaabb Masail al Ukbariya


style="text-align: right; ">أن زينب ورقية كانتا ابنتى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله والمخالف لذلك شاذ بخلافه style="text-align: right; ">


beyshak zainab or ruqayya dono rasool sawy ki betian thin or jo mutazzad kahbren hen woh is k baraks shaaz hen .


12. Al-Saffaar, Qurb Al-Isnaad, pg. 6


style="text-align: right; ">روى الصفار بسنده عن الامام الباقر (ع ) قال : ولد لرسول اللّه (ص )من خديجة : القاسم والطاهر , وام كلثوم , ورقية , وزينب وفاطمة style="text-align: right; ">


saffar ny Imam Baqir ra sy riayat kia hy k Rasool Allah saw ki hazrat Khadija ra sy  jinki paidihs hui wo Qasim, Tahir , umm kulsum ruqaya, zainab or fatima ra hen .


13. Al-Tabarasee, A`laam Al-Waraa, pg. 139
:ان القاسم اكبر , وهو بكره , وبه كان يكنى واربع بنات : زينب ورقية وام كلثوم وفاطمة 
rasool Allah saw ki 4 betian thin jin men zainab, ruqayya umm qulsum fatima thin.


14. Ibn Shahr Ashoob, Al-Manaaqib, vol. 1, pg. 161

style="text-align: right; ">وقال ابن شهر آشوب : اولاده : وله من خديجة : القاسم وعبد اللّه ,وهما الطاهر والطيب , واربع بنات : زينب ورقية وام كلثوم وفاطمة

ibn shahar ashoob ny rasool Allah saw ki aulaad k baray men bian kia k khadija ra k batan sy Qasim or Abdullah paida huy jo Tahir or Tayyab thy or 4 betian Zainab, ruqaya, umm kulsum or fatima paida huin ..

15. Al Sheikh al TABRASI book ’Tajul Mawaleed’ Page 9-8

أولاده وأزواجه عليه كان لرسول الله عليه التحية والسلام ولد له سبعة أولاد من خديجة ابنان وأربع : 
       بنات  القاسم وعبد الله وهو الطاهر والطيب ، وفاطمة صلوات الله عليها وزينب و أم كلثوم ورقية 

Rasool saw ki 7 auladen thin or Hazrat khadijar ra sy 2 betay or 4 betian Ruqiyah, Zainab, Umm Kulsum or Fatima thin..



16.  Ayan al-Shia, Vol 2: (57-58)

Rasool SAWl ki Khadija ra sy  shadi sy 6 auladen huin jin men Qasim tahir thy jo bachpan men intaqaal  kr gay or 4 betian thin jin k name thy Ruqiyah, Zainab, Umm Kulsum or Fatima. 



17. yaqoobi


style="text-align: right; "> وقال اليعقوبي : ولدت له قبل ان يبعث : القاسم , ورقية , وزينب ,وام كلثوم , وبعد ما بعث : عبد اللّه وهو الطيب والطاهر , ـ لانه ولد في الاسلام وفاطمة style="text-align: right; ">

rasool Allah saw ki khadija ra sy baisat say pahly Qasim Ruqaya zainab or umm Kulsum  paida huy or baysat k baad abdullah jo tayab or tahir bhi kehlaty thy or fatima huy.. 


18. Tareekh AhlulBayt 91, Al Hidayah al kubrah 39, Tareekh al A’imah 15,

style="text-align: right; "> عن مسعدة بن صدقة قال: حدثني جعفر بن محمد، عن أبيه قال: ” ولد لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله من خديجة: القاسم، والطاهر، وأم كلثوم، ورقية، وفاطمة، وزينب style="text-align: right; ">
Khadija ra sy rasool saW ki aulad men Qasim o tahir o Um kulsom ruqaya fatiam or zainab  paida huay


19. Muhammad Jawad Mughniyah in “Al Shia fil Meezan”

style="text-align: right; "> أولاده : جاءه ثلاثة ذكور ، وأربع إناث ، والذكور هم القاسم ، وعبد الله من السيدة خديجة ، وإبراهيم من مارية القبطية ، وماتوا أطفالا . والإناث زينب ، وأم كلثوم ، ورقية ، وفاطمة style="text-align: right; ">


aap SAW k 3 betay or 4 betian thin . beton men Qasim or abdullah thy jo Khadija ra k batan  sy paida huay or Ibrahen MAria say paida huay. yeh bachpan hi men intaqaal kr gaye or betion men Zainab, Umm Kulsom, Ruqayyah fatima thin...

20. Qazi noman al maghribi Book Sharh al Akhbar 1/185,186.
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style="text-align: right; ">وولدت له أكبر ولده وهو القاسم وبه كان يكنى صلوات الله عليه وآله وهو أكبر الذكور من ولدها منه  style="text-align: right; ">      ( ثم الطيب ثم الطاهر، وأكبر بناتها منه رقية ثم زينب ثم أم كلثوم ثم فاطمة( عليها وعليهم السلام                                                              Khadija ra ki rasool saw sy aulaad men sub sy baray Qasim thy or yeh rasool saw ki kuniat  bhi thi ( abu al Qasim) or sub sy bari beyti Ruqayyah thin phir zainab phir Umm Kulsum or phir Fatima  ( A.S)

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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 10:15am
 

Batman1

Aap ne Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betion k baray mein topic start kiya aur iss ko Quran aur shia books se sabit bhi kiya k Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betian thein...

Ab iss baray mein kuch aap se baat kerna chahta hoon...

Aap ne Quran ki ayat quote ki k Allah ne yahan jamah ka lafz use kiya...

Ab agar aap Quran perhein to Allah ne apnay liye bhi jamah ka lafz use kiya hai to kiya hum uss ko bhi maan lein ge ??

Dosra aap Surah Munafiqoon ki pehli verses to uss ki tafseer mein aap perhein to pata chalay ga k yeh ayaat sirf abdullah bin abi salool k liye nazil huin lakin ayaat mein jamah k alfaz huay hain...

Aur dosri baat yeh k kuch ayaat mein hukam e aam hota hai aur kuch hukam e khaas hota hai...

Aap ne jo perda wali ayat quote ki woh hukam e aam hai na k hukam e khaas,ab aap ayat ko hi ghoar se perh lein...

اے پیغمبر اپنی بیویوں اور بیٹیوں اور مسلمانوں کی عورتوں سے کہہ دو کہ (باہر نکلا کریں تو) اپنے (مونہوں) پر چادر لٹکا (کر گھونگھٹ نکال) لیا

ab yahan per 3 auraton ki baat hui hai,Rasool Allah saww ki biwion ki,Rasool Allah saww ki betion ki aur musalman ki auraton ki...

Ab aik mein sawal kerta hoon k aik khatoon hain jo k musalman huin,unn k na walid musalman huay aur na hi bhai aur na hi shohar to kiya uss khatoon per perda lazim hai iss ayat k mutabiq ya nahi ??

Kiun k woh khatoon na hi Rasool Allah saww ki biwion ki category mein aati hain,na hi Rasool Allah saww ki betion ki category mein aati hain aur na hi musalmanon ki auraton ki category mein...

Ab aap mujhay bata dein k iss ayat k hawalay se unn aurat per perda ka kiya hukam hai ??

Dosri baat ayat e mubahilla hai jis mein Allah ne jamah ka lafz istemal kiya lakin mubahilla per aik hi khatoon gaein...aisa kiun ??

Kiya Rasool Allah saww ko nahi ilm tha k jamah ka lafz hai ya unhon ne hukam ka inkar kiya Naozbillah ??

Ab aap kahein ge k unn ki baaki betian wafaat paa chuki thein lakin yeh baat to hai k unn k damaad zaroor zinda thay to jab Ali a.s ja saktay thay phir baaki damaad kiun na gaye ??

Uss k ilawa bohat se ahadees mojood hai Hazrat Fatima a.s ki shaan mein k yeh mujh se hai mein iss se hoon...jis ne Fatima a.s ko takleef di uss ne mujhay takleef di...Fatima a.s jannat ki sardar hain...Fatima a.s aur hazrat Khadija a.s aur hazrat maryam a.s aur hazrat aasia a.s afzal tareen khawateen hain...

Iss k ilawa bhi bohat se ahadees hain jo abhi meray zehan mein nahi aa rahein...

Makkah mein jab kafir zulm kertay thay to zikr hai k Hazrat Fatima a.s rotti thein aur madad kerti thein,ohad mein jab daant shaheed huay to Hazrat Fatima a.s ka hi zikr hai k woh Rasool Allah saww ka khoon saaf ker rahi thein...

Agar koi shaks kisi choar ki safarish kerta to Rasool Allah saww Hazrat Fatima a.s ka hi naam le ker kehtay k agar meri beti bhi hoti to mein aisi hi saza deta...

Lakin inn sab waqiyaat mein kahin bhi baaki 3 betion ka zikr nahi milta k woh kahan thein...ohad ka bohat bara waqiya hua magar koi dosri beti na aaye k walid zakhmi huay hain ja ker pooch to lein,Rasool Allah saww per makkah mein zulm hota tha to koi dosri beti madad k liye na aati thi...

Mubahilla k liye koi dosri beti sath na gaye na hi unn ki aulad na unn k shohar...

Fatima a.s ko to jannat ki sardar bana diya aur afzal tareen khawateen mein shamil kiya magar baaki 3 betion k baray mein yeh bhi na kaha k yeh jannati mein aik marla ka ghar ki maalik bhi hon gi ya nahi aur na hi unn ki koi fazeelat ki baat ki...

Fatima a.s ko jigar ka tukra kaha magar baaki 3 betion k baray mein yeh bhi nahi kaha k yeh jigar na sahi pehpharay ka hi tukra hain...aisa kiun ??

Ab yahan per 2 baatein zehan mein aati hain...ya to Rasool Allah saww insaf se kaam nahi letay thay Naozbillah k mohabbat sirf 1 beti se kertay thay aur baaki 3 ko ghaas bhi na daltay thay...aur Rasool Allah saww se bhi sirf 1 hi beti mohabbat kerti thein baaki 3 ko mohabbat nahi thi tabhi to jab museebat aaye to sirf 1 beti hi pohnchein baaki 3 betion ne perwah hi na ki...

Ya dosri baat wohi jo shia aqeeda hai k beti sirf 1 hi thein,baaki sirf thonpi gaein tareekh mein dundi maar ker...

Dosri teraf unn se zulm aap k ulma ne bhi kiya,sahih bukhari mein her shaksiat k fazail ka zikr hai aur aik alag baab mojood hai lakin mujhay uss mein Rasool Allah saww ki baaki 3 betion k fazail ka koi baab nazar nahi aaya...

Masnad imam humbal mein bohat tafseel se ahadees likhi gaye hain aur bohat se khawateen se ahadees se riwayat ki gaye hain balkeh aisi khawateen ka bhi zikr kiya gaya hai k jin ka naam bhi maloon nahi tha lakin bohat ajeeb laga k uss mein kahin bhi Rasool Allah saww ki baaki 3 betion ka koi zikr hi nahi kiya gaya...chalein Rasool Allah saww ne to apni 3 betion ko ignore kiya hi aur na-insafi ki Naozbillah,magar aap k muattabar ulma ne kiun yeh na-insafi ki ??

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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 1:59pm
 

Mufti

apki shuru sy hi aitrazaat krny ki adat rahi hy.. apky in sub aitrazaat ka jawab hy mery pas lakin thora tareekay sy chalaen.. ab kiun k Quran men betion ki tadaad or unky name nahi thy to aapny sub sy asaan kaam yeh kia k baki sub chezon ko chor dia or Quran ki ayat men alfaaz ko ghuma phira kr jawab deny ki koshis ki . men iska bhi jawab dun ga magar sub sy pahly aap apna Mokaf bian kren k woh kin ki betian thin??? baki baten baad men

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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 2:13pm
 

Mufti

or quran ki ayat pr jo aitraaz kia us men aapny yeh nahi btaya k jama k sigay sy kia muraad hy phir?? us men bhi apna mokaf waziay kren ..
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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 3:34pm
 

Batman1

Dekhein meray bhai agar mein aisa topic start kerta aur kehta k Rasool Allah saww ki sirf 1 hi beti thein to zahir hai aap bhi etiraz kertay...

Aur aap ne topic bhi issi liye start kiya kiun k shia ko iss per etiraz tha to aap ne bhi etiraz mein hi topic start kiya...

Ab aap ne sawal kiya k agar Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betian nahi thein to woh kin ki betian thein...dekhein abhi yeh hamara topic nahi hai k woh kin ki betian thein balkeh topic kuch aur hai k Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betian thein ya 1...

Iss k liye mein ne aap ko kuch misaalein dein jis se ya to lagta hai k Rasool Allah saww apni baaki 3 betion se na-insafi kertay thay Naozbillah ya unn ki 1 hi beti thein jo baad mein tareekh likhnay walon ne thonp dein...

Kuch tarikh aur ahadees se mein ne ref. bhi diye ab uss k ilawa dekh lein k Rasool Allah saww ne unn 3 betion k rishton mein bhi koi dilchaspi na dikhaye balkeh unn ko betian de dein jo k kufr mein bohat sakhta thay,Islam k sab se baray dushman bhi thay jin k baap aur maa k baray mein Allah ne bohat hi wazeh kaha hai aur mazay ki baat hai k jab tak unhon ne khud Rasool Allah saww ki betion ko nahi jhutlaya Rasool Allah saww ko ehsaas hi na hua aur 3rd beti k sath bhi yehi mamla kiya k aik kafir k sath rishta ker diya aur phir koi unn ka khayal bhi na rakha k unn ka shohar kafir tha ab rishta khatam ho gaya hai to kisi achay musalman k sath hi rishta kerwa dein...nahi balkeh wait kertay rahay k unn k damaad kab kufr khatam keray aur mein uss ko apni beti rukhsat ker doon...

Jab k Hazrat Fatima a.s k mamla per unn ka rawaya bilkul change tha...

Bohat se rishtay aaye jab k hazrat abu bakar jaisi shaksiat ne bhi rishta behja magar aap ne inkar ker diya,hazrat umar ne bhi rishta behja magar inkar kiya aur rishta uss ko diya jis ne life mein kabhi shirk aur kufr na kiya balkeh kaha k Allah ne mujhay kaha hai k Hazrat Fatima a.s ka rishta Hazrat Ali a.s se ker diya jaye...

Ab aap khud hi dekh lein k Allah ne bhi Rasool Allah saww ki baaki 3 betion ki koi perwah na ki k jis kafir aur dushman ko rishta detay rahay Allah ne kuch hukam jaari na kiya magar jaisay hi Hazrat Fatima a.s ki baat aaye to Allah ne foran hukam jaari ker diya k inn ka rishta Hazrat Ali a.s se ker diya jaye...

Ab mera phir wohi sawal hai k aakhir unn k sath aisa kiya mamla tha k Allah ne bhi unn k sath na-insafi ki Naozbillah,Rasool Allah saww ne bhi ki aur aap k ulma ne bhi unn ignore kiya aur unn ki koi aisi fazeelat bayyan nahi ki jitni Bibi Fatima a.s ki...

Uss k baad agar aap sahih bukhari perhein,sunan abu daud perhein ya masnad imam humbal perhein to aap ko Hazrat Fatima a.s,Hazrat Ali a.s aur Imam Hassan a.s aur Imam Hussain a.s k naamon k sath a.s likha lakin jahan bhi baaki 3 betion ka ghalti se zikr ker bhi diya to unn k naam k sath a.s likhnay k bajaye r.a likha....aakhir inn sab baaton ka hum kiya matlab lein ?? mujhay to nahi samajh aaye iss liye aap se pocha k shayed aap hi bata dein...

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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 4:05pm
 

Mufti

janaab mujhy maloom tha k jesy hi aap dubara entry marain gen to is topic ka lazmi jawab den gen.. mujhy apky jawabat say problem nai hy balky meri ksi dallel ko bina rad kiay bina apni koi dalle diay bina koi mokaf bian kiay aitrazaat krny pr masla hy .. aap jub apna mokaf bian kren gen k woh kin ki betian thin to aapky bohot sy aitrazaat khud bakhud hi dam tor den gen,

aap ya to in sub books ka inkaar kren ya inka rad paish kren .... men aapky in aitrazaat ka bhi jawab dun ga lakin aap apna mokaf nahi btaen gen to aab jan bujh kr idhar udhar bhagty rahen gen or yun hi aitrazaat krty rahen gen... jesa k aap khud dekh len k betion ki tadaad ki baat ho rahi hy or aap ny fazilat ki baat shuru kr di rishtay deny ki baat shuru kr di A.S laganay ki baat shuru kr di .or yeh betian ksi historian nahi nahi thopi balky Allah ny khud bian kia hy or ksi ny thopi hen to Shia ki in sari books men Imamon ny kiun thop din???

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Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 4:11pm
 

mera topic

Ab aap ne sawal kiya k agar Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betian nahi thein to woh kin ki betian thein...dekhein abhi yeh hamara topic nahi hai k woh kin ki betian thein balkeh topic kuch aur hai k Rasool Allah saww ki 4 betian thein ya 1...

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janaab mera topic yeh hy zra gor sey parhen .

Aslaam-o-Alaikum
kuch hazraat rasool Allah saw ki 4 betion men sy sirf ek beti Hazrat Fatiam (s.a) ko maanty he or baki 3 betian Hazrat Ruqayyah (s.a) Hazrat Umm Kulsoom (S.A) or Hazrat Zainab (S.A) ka inkaar krty hen or inhen Rasool Allah saw ki soteli aulaad kehty hen .. unhy ya to Hazrat Khadija (S.a) ki pahly shohar sy betian samajhty hen ya unki bhatijian samajhty hen halan k yeh baat Quran sy bhi sabit hy k woh ksi gumnaam shaks ki yateem betian nahi thin balky Rassol Allah SAW ki apni sagi betian thi jis k baad ksi daleel ki zarurat nahi rehti lakin yeh baat mukhalif jamaat ki motabar or top ki book say bhi sabit hy jis men in teeno betion ko Rasool Allah saw ki apni sagi betian btaya hy or un k pahly ulamah ka bhi yeh hi mokaf raha hy

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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 5:36am
 

Batman1

Janab mein ne kahan kaha k woh 4 betian Rasool Allah saww kin ki thein ??

Mein ne aisi koi baat nahi ki balkeh mein to kuch aur baat ker raha hoon,aap ne Quran ki ayat se sabit jamah k seghay ko bunyaad bana ker baat ki to mein ne aap ko uss ka jawab de diya...

Uss k baad mein ne kuch sawalat kiye k aakhir aisi kiya wajah thi k na Allah unn 3 betion ka kuch khayal kerta tha aur na hi Rasool Allah saww ne unn k sath koi mohabbat ka izhar kiya aur na hi kabhi betion ne Rasool Allah saww se mohabbat ka izhar kiya...aur aap k aima ne bhi unn ko koi ahmiat na di k apni books mein jahan dosri khawateen ki fazeelat k baab likhay wahan inn 3 betion ka koi zikr nahi hai aur jahan baaki khawateen se ahadees bayyan kein inn 3 betion se koi ahadees riwayat nahi kein...aap her post mein yehi kehtay nazar aa rahay hain k mein aap ki baaton ka jawab de sakta hon lakin abhi tak aap ne yeh zehmat nahi ki...umeed kerta hon k aap jawab zaroor dein ge...

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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 8:59am
 

Mufti

mera khayal hy aap aesy nahi kabu aaen gen.. himat kren himat or iska jawab den k woh 3 betian Rasool Allah saw ki sagi betian thin ya sotaili betian thin ya khadija ra ki bahan ki betian thin???

aapny baki jo andaazay lagay k un k sath aesa hua tha wesa hua tha is liay woh unki sagi betian nahi ho saktin to men iska kia matlab samjhun?? aab bta na pasand kren gen k aapki agar woh sarai ghalat fehmian or kum ilmi sahi hy to is say sabit kia hua????

or chlaen aapny Quran ki ayat k baray men baat ki or jamah k sigay ki misalen bhi din to is say sabit kia hua yeh to bta dety??? kia jamah ka sigha sirf Hazrat Fatima ra k liay use hua??? chalen kuch dair k liay maan lety hen k han woh sirf fatima ra k liay use hua to uski jaga wahid ka sigha bhi to use ho sakta tha??

aapny ayat mubahila ki baat ki or kaha k sirf Hazrat fatima ra ko ly kr gay.. chalen yeh bhi theek hy k us jama k sigy sy sirf fatima ra hi muraad thin to wahan bhi jama ka sigah use krny ki kia waja thi wahan bhi wahid ka sigha use hona chahiay tha...
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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 9:07am
 

mufti

.aap her post mein yehi kehtay nazar aa rahay hain k mein aap ki baaton ka jawab de sakta hon lakin abhi tak aap ne yeh zehmat nahi ki...umeed kerta hon k aap jawab zaroor dein ge...

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janaab aapny meri di hui kitni daleelon ka jawab dia hy ?? aapny ksi ko hath tak nahi lagaya or abhi tak andazay pr chal rahy hen k un betion k sath aesa aesa hua tha is liay woh Rasool saw ki betian nahi ho saktin to phir kis ki betian thin woh ??? aap yeh jawab to den k woh unki sagi betian nahi thin to kia sotaeli betian thin ya khadija ra ki bahan ki betian thin to mey apky in saray sawalon ka jawab dun ga men pahly bhi yeh baat keh chuka hun
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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 10:20am
 

Batman1

Meray bhai kiya mein ne kisi beti ka inkar kiya ya iqrar kiya ??

Aap confuse kiun ho rahay hain ??

Mein to aap se pooch raha tha k aakhir Allah,Rasool Allah saww aur aap k aima sirf 1 beti Fatima a.s se hi mohabbat kiun kertay thay ??

Aur baaki 3 betion se itni na-insafi kiun hoti rahi ??

Lakin aap jawab denay k bajaye dosri baaton mein ulajhnay ki koshish ker rahay hain...kiya mein ne aap k ref. ka inkar ya iqrar kiya jo aap ko itni fikar ho rahi hai ??

Mein to bilkul hi different baat ker raha hoon meray bhai...

Kahin aisa to nahi k jo aap tayyari ker k aaye thay aap k samnay paper bilkul out of course nazar anay lag gaya :P

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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 11:03pm
 

Mufti

Mein to aap se pooch raha tha k aakhir Allah,Rasool Allah saww aur aap k aima sirf 1 beti Fatima a.s se hi mohabbat kiun kertay thay ??

Aur baaki 3 betion se itni na-insafi kiun hoti rahi ??




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mufti sahab mujh pr bharosa kren aapky woh aitrzaat meri ek reply ki maar hen InshAllah ... aap na inkaar kr rahy hen na iqraar kr rahy hen bas sharmae ja rehy hen janaab... Na rasool Allah saw na hamary ulamah or na hi Allah ny un k sath na insafi ki yeh aapki kam ilmi or galat fahmi hy .... aap bismillah kr k un betion k baray men koi mokaf to rakhen.. meny jawab dia to aap unhy soteli mane gen meny uska jawab dia to phir aap unhy bhatijian many gen meny uska jawab dia to aap unky wajud ka inkaar kr den gen to itni bahas krny ka khir faida kia hoga??? aap un 3 betion ko kia maanty hen ??? or koi shia agar unko Rasool Allah saw ki sagi betian maanta hy to usky bary men aapki kia raye hy ??

aapny sirf Quran ki di hui daleel sy chair char krny ki koshih ki or meny us men bhi aapka mokaf pucha to ab woh bhi btanay sy sharma rahy hen.. yeh kia chakar hy bhae??? wahan ek beti hy to Jamaa ka sigha kiun use hua??


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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 3:45pm
 

Batman1

Meray bhai mein aap per yaqeen ker raha hoon k aap aik reply mein sab kuch clear ker dein ge...mein to yaqeen ker raha hon lakin shayed aap ko yaqeen nahi hai...

Dosri baat aap iss baat ko chorein k mera aqeeda kiya hai kiun k yeh topic aap k aqeeda per start hua hai tabhi mein aap k aqeeda ko samnay rakh ker baat ker raha hon k yeh na-insafi aakhir kiun hai ??

Umeed kerta hon k aap zaroor jawab dein ge...

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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 10:06pm
 

batman

meny ye topic un k liay bnaya hy jo uper di gae books ko manty hen... agar to men uper sirf apni books ka hawala deta tab to aap yeh keh sakty thy k yeh topic mery aqeeday pr start hua hy magar meny to uper ksi zakir ki ya ksi allama ki books ka hawala nahi dia balky shia clasical scholars or unki books ka hawala dia hy to aap ny apni ek post men yeh baat kesy kahi k shia ka 1 beti ka aqeedah hy or baki history men dandi maar k thoi gain hen
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Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 10:07pm
 

Mufti

aapsy zaida himat to sister tote-sapne men thi jin hon ny kamaz kam apna mokaf to bian kia tha woh alag baaat hy k woh start k reply hi men meny ura dia
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Posted on:19th Mar 2012, 5:09am
 

Batman1

Dekhein meray bhai aap kiun pareshan ho rahay hain ??

Ab aap kehtay hain k jo guess paper se aap tayyari ker k aaye hain,aap ko paper ussi mein se aana chahiye lakin meray bhai aisa zaroori to nahi hota na...

Ab aap kehtay hain k aap bas mujhay order dein aur mein foran aap ki baat tasleem ker loon ya woh sawal karon jin ki aap ne tayyari ki hui thi :P

Lakin meray bhai mein to shia aqeeda per baat hi nahi ker raha abhi,mein ne kahin shia aqeeda ki baat ki bhi hai ??

Chalein aap ab k baad aisa samjhein k mein ahl sunnah se hoon,ab to theek hai na ??

Ab aap mujhay meray sawalat k jawab dein k aakhir baaki 3 betion se itni na-insafi kiun hoti rahi ??

Batman sahab mujhay mein bilkul bhi himmat nahi hai aik female member jitni bhi himmat nahi hai bohat buzdil aur darpok hoon...ab aap khush ho gaye ??

Aap ne aik hi post mein kabootar urra diya ya bhens mujhay iss se koi gharz nahi hai...mein ne aap ko pehlay bhi kaha tha k yeh sultan rahi aur altaf hussain walay dialogue abhi apnay paas rakhein shayed kisi aur moqa per kaam aa jaein...

Umeed kerta hoon k ab ki baar aap rajni kaant bunanay k bajaye meray sawalat k jawab dein ge kiun k aap ka dawa hai k aap rajni kaant mein aik hi waar mein sab kuch khatam ker detay hain...

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Posted on:21st Mar 2012, 10:07am
 

Mufti

Lakin meray bhai mein to shia aqeeda per baat hi nahi ker raha abhi,mein ne kahin shia aqeeda ki baat ki bhi hai ??

Chalein aap ab k baad aisa samjhein k mein ahl sunnah se hoon,ab to theek hai na ??

Ab aap mujhay meray sawalat k jawab dein k aakhir baaki 3 betion se itni na-insafi kiun hoti rahi ??


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chalain theek hy mujhy manzoor hy yeh . lakin apny jo sawal kiay hen un ki wazahat puchny ka mujhy pura haq hy warna aap kahen gen k men khud sy apki taraf sy assume kr k jawab dy rha hun..

aapny meri di hui ayat k alfaaz k sath Allah ka apny liay use ia hua jamma ka sigha compare kia hy . betion ki tadaad pr to bahas ho rahi hy lakin Allah to ek hi hy to aapny kia matlab samjh kr yeh aitraaz kia iski wazahat kren ..


aapny A.S lagany ki baat ki or kaha k dusri betion k sath R.A likha to aapny is sy kia matlab nikala k agar un k sath A.S nahi likhty R.A likhty hen to iska kia matlab samjha aapny.. iski wazahat kren takay men bhi wazahat k sath jawab dun

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Posted on:21st Mar 2012, 10:37am
 

Batman1

Dekhein jahan tak baat hai Quran ki ayat ki to mein ne sirf aap ko samjhanay ki koshish ki hai k Quran mein wahid k liye bhi jamah ka sigha istemal hua hai,jis ki sab se bari misaal Allah Paak ki hai jisay sab musalman wahid hi mantay hain...

Aap ko bas yeh samjhanay ki koshish ki hai k iss jamah k sighay se yeh sabit nahi ho jata k waqai woh aik se ziada betian thein...

Uss k ilawa bhi mein ne kuch misaalein dein hain Quran se...

Dosri baat jo aap ne pochi woh mein ne na-insafi k hawalay se kahi thi k akahir kiya wajah hai k 1 beti k sath to itna pyar,mohabbat aur ahteraam aur dosri betion ko lift hi koi nahi aur issi hawalay se mein ne a.s ka bhi zikr kiya kiun k a.s buland mertabay walay naam k sath lagaya jata hai to phir yahan bhi 1 beti aur unn ki family ka itna buland mertaba aur baaki betion ko lift hi nahi hai,umeed hai aap meray sawalat samajh gaye hon ge...

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Posted on:21st Mar 2012, 6:35pm
 

Mufty & Batman

mujhay nhn lagta k is behas ka koi result niklay ga
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Posted on:22nd Mar 2012, 8:18am
 

wehshi

Result nikal aaye ga InshAllah,asal mein batman1 ko aisay sawalon ki umeed nahi thi...iss liye thora pareshan ho gaye hain...Inshallah jaldi sawalon ko samajh ker phir jawab dein ge to topic track per aa jaye ga.
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