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Qabar Aur Shirk

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WEHSHI Group: Members  Joined: 17th Aug, 2010  Topic: 46  Post: 2533  Age:  49  
Posted on:3rd May 2012, 12:17pm
 

Qabar Aur Shirk

Qabar us jagah ko kehtay hain jahan koi insan is duniya main apni zindagi guzar ker QAYAMAT ka intezar kerta hai apnay sahi ya ghalat aamaal aur AQAID k saath

lekin aj kal balkay hamesha se hi QABAR ko deen main ek ais amuqam bana diya gaya hai jahan se hajat rawaai se le ker NATH UTERWAAI tak hoti hai humaray muasheray main

Rawal Pindi Pakistan main ek MIZAAR is kam k liyay makhsoos hai jahan NATH UTERWAAI k liyay baqaida AUCTION hotay hain

jahan tak bat hai k islam main QABRON per hazri ya QABRON se hajat rawaai ki kya hasiyat hai to kisi Mohtaram ki teraf se 6 sawalat poochay gai hain jin k jawab main bhi dhoondh raha hun ap bhi koshish kerain

lekin IMANDARI sherat hai yeh soch ker in sawalon ko reject na kijiyay ga k yeh kis ne poochay hain ya yeh ghalat hain mujhay khud nhn maloom k woh asal WALI ULLAH kon hai jis ne is zamanay main aisay sawal poochnay ki jurat ki hai main un sawalon ko terteeb se likhta hun

1- " Kisi Sahahbi RA ka URAS puri duniya main manaya jata hai "

Sahaba RA se bera to koi wali nhn tha aur Sahaba RA ki Qabrain sari duniya main pheli hui hain kiun kisi ki jurat hoti k un qabron per aisay angray bhangray keray jesay humaray han hotay hain deeni buzurgon k mizaron per???

2-" Nabi SAW k zamanay k behtreen QAWAL ka naam "

ya kisi aisay Sahabi RA ka naam jis ne Aap SAW ki TAREEF is terah ki ho jis terah aj kal ki jati hai

3- " Hijaz main koi aisa mizar jahan SAHABA RA k baad log hajat rawaai k liyay jatay thay "

Aaj kal to dawa hai k HIJAAZ per wahabiyon ka qabza hai lekin us s epehlay to koi wahabi nhn tha lekin us waqt bhi kisi sahabi ya buzurag ka mizar HIJAZ to kya puray arab main nhn tha

4- " Kisi aik SAHABI RA ka naam batain jo 11ween shareef ka khatam fermatay thay"

5- "Un SAHABI ka naam batain jin k gher 12 Rabi ul awal ko MILAAD hota tah aur Nabi SAW tashreef latay thay "

yaqeenan khulfa e rashdeen main se ya Aal e rasool main se ya un k baad kisi ne bhi Milaad keraya ho ?????

6-" Kon SAHABI RA thay jinhon ne YA RASOOL ALLAH MADAD ka nara sab se pehlay lagaya aur koi 2 SAHABA RA ka naam bhi likhain jo ye nara lagaya kertay thay jang main ya kisi mushkil ghari main "

alirajput Group: Members  Joined: 16th Mar, 2012  Topic: 5  Post: 613  Age:  31  
Posted on:28th May 2012, 6:49am
 

Thread # 27380 Ustaad-e-Forum myrizvi Response

Eid Meelaad un Nabi saw

Celebratingthe birth day of the ptophet saw is an innovation i.e. bida'at.the first time it was done 600 years after the death of prophet saw. Quran says: Today I have completed your DEEN for you. The prophet saw said:whoever introduces something new in our deen, which does not originally exist, that act will be rejected (Bukhari, Muslim)

12 Rabi ul Awwal ka din
Hazrat Muhammad saw ki zindagi maiN 63 baar aayaa, hazrat Abu Bakar RA ki khilafat maiN 2 baar, Hazrat Umar RA ki kjilaafat maiN 10 baar, Hazrat Usman Ra ki khilafat maiN 12 baar aur hazrat Ali RA k khilaafat maiN 4 baar aayaa ... kia in maiN say kissi nay "Eis Meelaad un Nabi saw" manayee. kia sahabah RA, taabe'een, tabbah taabe'een aur aimah arba'aa maiN say kissi nay yeh din manaayaa? agar nahi aur hargiz nahi to jaan laiN k yeh "teesri eid" BIDA'AT hai aur har bisa'at gomraahi hai aur gomraahi ka najmaam jahannam hai

Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 775  Age:  40  
Posted on:28th May 2012, 4:38pm
 

Wehshi

jahan tak bat hai k islam main QABRON per hazri ya QABRON se hajat rawaai ki kya hasiyat hai

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Mujhay hairani hoti hai k aap iss forum k baray aalim aur islah kernay wali shaksiat banay huay hain aur Islam per baat kertay hain...

Aur mujhay hansi aati hai aap per k jis shaks apni 47 saal ki umer tak yeh nahi pata tha k yazeed sahabi hai ya nahi woh aaj loagon ki islah karay ga :P

Aap ko mein dekh raha hoon k waqfa waqfa se aap bill se nikal ker shirarat kertay aa rahay hain jab k iss forum ka mahol kafi theek ho gaya tha lakin aap ko yeh sukoon pasand nahi aata aur aap fitna dekhna chahtay hain her waqt iss forum per lakin jab aap ko jawab diya jaye to aap choohay ki terha bill mein ghuss jatay hain...

Kis jahil ne aap ko kaha k Qaboor ki ziyarat ki islam mein ijazat nahi hai ??

Kabhi aap ne hadith books perhi hain ??

Mujhay yaqeen hai k aap ka hadith k baray mein bhi utna hi ilm ho ga jitna apnay leader yazeed lanati k baray mein tha...

Jao aur masnad imam humbal perho jis mein hadith hai k Hazrat Ayub Ansari Qabr e Rasool saww ki ziyarat ker rahay thay aur unn ki qabr per ro rahay thay aur merwan ne unn ko aisa kernay se manah kiya :P

Yeni aap ka aqeeda merwani aqeeda hai jo Qaboor ki ziyaraat se manah kerta tha aur sahaba uss jahil ki ghair-islami baaton ki perwah nahi kertay thay ussi terha jaisay hum aap jaisay ki ghair-islami baaton ki perwah nahi kertay...

Next time poori tahqeeq k sath topic start kerna ta k aap ko apni jahiliat ki wajah se aik baar phir sharmindagi na uthani paray...

Aur agar aap ko woh hadith bhi chahiye to mujhay request ker dijiye ga,mein woh upload ker doon ga...


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Posted on:28th May 2012, 4:41pm
 

alirajput

The prophet saw said:whoever introduces something new in our deen, which does not originally exist, that act will be rejected (Bukhari, Muslim)

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Aap ba-jammat taraveh k baray mein kiya kahein ge ??

aik sath 3 talaq denay k baray mein kiya kahein ge ??

Eid ul Milad mein koi shariat k khilaf kaam nahi hota lakin talaq e baein mein to shariat k khilaf kaam hai,kiya aap ussay bhi biddat mantay hain ya ussay iss liye sahi mantay hain k yeh cheezein hazrat umar start ker gaye thay ??

Siyah Posh Group: Members  Joined: 08th Apr, 2012  Topic: 0  Post: 251  Age:  49  
Posted on:29th May 2012, 6:02am
 

mufty

main to yahin rehta hun aur rahun ga

BILL se to aap nikaltay hain jab ap ki DUM per paon aata hai ya AAP JAGTAY hain

YAZEED RA sahabi nhn thay aur yeh aisi koi bat nhn jis per itna wavela kiya jai kiun k jinhain aap IMAAM mantay ho woh kahan se SANAD / certificate le ker aai hain ???

kis ne un ko imaam banaya ya namzad kiya? aur imamat kiun sirif aik khas had tak aa kr ruk gai???

kya un k baad sayed is qabil nhn rahay thay k un main imaam bantay ?

kehnay ko bohat kuch hai aur bera mustanad

lekin ap logon ki terah hum na lertay hain na koi fayeda hai lernay ka kiun k KHATAMALLAH HO QULOBO HUM ki ayat hai quran main

:):):)

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Posted on:29th May 2012, 6:52am
 

wehshi

Lagta hai k aap ki dum per kuch ziada hi wazan aa gaya jo itna talmila rahay hain...

Kher inn jahilana post ko dekh ker mein itna kahon ga k mein ne aik ref. diya tha masnad imam humbal ka qabar ki ziyarat per lakin kiun k aap ki jahiliat itni hai k aap ne shayed kabhi woh hadith book perhi bhi na ho gi issi liye uss ref. ka post mein zikr tak nahi kiya...

Mein phir se aap se pochta hoon k kiya woh ref. sahi hai ya ghalat hai ??

Jahan tak baat hai Imamat ki to janab aap ko Imamat per itna etiraz hai jab k agar aap apnay aqeeda ki khilafat dekhein to woh to 30 saal se agay hi na chal saki,mein aap se yehi sawal ker sakta hoon k kiya 30 saal k baad aap ko koi aisa bunda bhi na mila jo khilafat k qabil ho jo 30 saal aa ker roak di ??

Aur jahan tak Imamat ki baat hai to woh to Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k meray 12 khulfa hon ge,jab 12 khulfa hi ki baat hui thi to phir agay kaisay jati khilafat ??

Ab hum aap ki terha to hain nahi k Rasool Allah saww ka janaza choar ker saqeefa mein chup ker khalifah bana dein :P

Aur jo aap k paas mustanad cheezein hain woh aap bohat shoq se yahan discuss karein ta k aap ki ilmi qabiliat mazeed members k samnay aaye :P

Aur mujhay bhi ilm hai k yazeed lanati sahabi nahi tha woh to aap ki jahiliat thi k 47 saal tak uss ko sahabi samajhtay rahay phir hum ne bataya to aap ki aankhein khulein k kis lanati ko sahabi maan ker pooja ker rahay hain :P

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Posted on:29th May 2012, 10:47am
 

Mufty

Yazeed RA ko gali denay walay per khud aai gi woh gali per aati hai lekin ap log samjhtay nhn hain

main aj bhi kehta hun k YAZEED RA ka derja sahabi ka hi tha ap jesay log CHAND per thook ker apna hi munh ganda kertay hain

main aj bhi YAZEED RA ka usi terah ehtram kerta hun aur sab musalman kertay hain sirif ap aur ap k czn firqa walay hi YAZEED RA ko galiyan detay hain

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Posted on:1st Jun 2012, 2:38pm
 

Siyah posh

Qasoor tumhara nahi hai,kiun k kisi jahil mulla ne tumhain bachpan se hi yazeed lanati k jhootay qissa sunaye hain aur ussi ne bataya k yazeed lanati sahabi bhi tha :P

Aik fitna to tumharay zehan se mein ne nikal diya hai ab jis din tum yazeed lanati per mazeed baat karo ge mein tumharay hi dharam ki books se yazeed ko lanati tareen shaks sabit karon ga ab agar himmat hai to yahan per yazeed per topic start ker k dekho :P

yazeed lanati ne 3 saal hakumat ki aur unn 3 saalon mein 3 aisay kaam kiye k unn mein se agar aik bhi kiya hota to tab bhi laanat ka mustahik hota...

1. Pehlay saal Imam Hussain a.s ko shaheed kiya aur Ahle Bait a.s ko qaid kiya aur zulm kiya.

2. Khana Kaaba per hamla kerwaya jis k nateja mein mein Khana Kaaba ko aag lag gaye.

3. Madina per hamla kiya aur bohat se ashaab ko shaheed kiya.

Kiya inn mein se aik amal bhi maafi k qabil hai ??

Aur yeh tumhari jahiliat ki inteha hai k tumhain aaj tak tumharay kisi pandit ne laanat aur gaali mein farq hi nahi bataya...

Jahil insan laanat to Allah ne Quran mein bhi ki hai aur laanat to Rasool Allah saww ne bhi ki hai to kiya tumharay dharam mein unhon ne bhi gaalian di thein ??

Pehlay deen ko samjho phir mujh se baat kerna kiun k tum agar 47 saal mazeed bhi Islam ko perho aur samjho to tab shayed tum mujh se discussion k qabil ho jao ge :P

Siyah Posh Group: Members  Joined: 08th Apr, 2012  Topic: 0  Post: 251  Age:  49  
Posted on:2nd Jun 2012, 7:10am
 

mufty saheb

ager main ap k ulama ko jahil aur lanti kahun to ap ko bohat takleef ho gi

aik hadees suni thi k jo kisi aisay insan per laanat keray jo k is qabil na ho to bhejnay walay ki laanat wapis usi per aati hai

yehi problem hai ap logon ki

humara deen history per base nhn kerta balkau quran aur hadees per base kerta hai is liyay humain is bat se koi feraq nhn perta k kon kya tha aur kiun tha

lekin ap log na quran ko mantay ho na hadees ko ap ka deen 460 hijri ki likhi hui ABAASIYON ki history hai is k ilawa kuch nhn

QURAN ap k nazdeek mukamal nhn BUKHARI aur SAHAAI SITTA ap k nazdeek mashkook hain

ap ki ibtida NAHIJ UL BALAGHA aur intehaa history hai is liyay ap logon se kya behas

aur kya ilam ka taqaza

ap logon ko jitni history yaad ho ap usay AALIM samjhtay aur mantay ho

is liyay MYRIZWI ne sahi fermaya k BEFAZOOL ki behas hai

ab aap jo bhi kaho na to ap ko jawab milay ga na koi sawal

humain to jab jab koi aisi information millay gi hum yahan share kerain gay us k baad ap log lagay raha kerain hasb e aadat

PITRAS BUKHARI ka aik mazmoon tha urdu ki kitab main jinhon ne perha hai jantay hain k main ne kya kaha hai

:):):)

MalikZafar Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2009  Topic: 2  Post: 40  Age:  50  
Posted on:2nd Jun 2012, 7:21am
 

Qabar Aur Shirk

I pray that on the day of judgement, May Allah stood up lovers of Yazeed alongwith Yazeed and Lovers of Hussain RA with Hussain RA. It is very simple, one who love during his life with the person will stand alongwith that person on the day of judgement. I am dumbfound that one can give equal status to Yazeed and the Grand Son of Rasool Allah SAW. It is nothing else than the lack of knowledge of Islam and bad luck. May Allah give us the right wisdom.

As for as the celebration of Milad-un-Nabi is concern, I donít think there should be any issue. If it is not celebrated during the era of Rasool Allah or Sahaba RA it doesnít mean that it is forbidden in Islam. There is no such NUS or daleel in Quran or Hadees that celebration of Milad-un-Nabi is against Islam or forbidden. In Quraan Allah Subhana says that when I give you some ďNehmatĒ you should celebrate (mean Khushi Manao) and at an other place Says that sending my Rasool to you is the biggest NEHMAT. On arrival of ďNehmatĒ we should celebrate and on arrival of Rasool Allah which is the biggest Nehmat we should not celebrate because it is a Bidíat, this is nothing else than the non sense. Any thing which is not forbidden through a clear NUS/Daleel of Quran or Hadees is upto the person to take it allowed or disallowed, the celebration of Midan-un-Nabi (as I believe) is not forbidden, hence is very much allowed. If some donít celebrate Milad-un-Nabi it is upto him and not any sin. We should not criticise every thing which we donít like. We donít criticise dancing parties, watching films, videos, dramas, bad TV channels but donít let any chance to criticise celebration of Milad-un-Nabi.

Can any one exactly explain what is Bidíat. Generally it is taken that acts, things which were not in the era of Raool Allah SAW or Sahaba RA are bidíat. If this the true explanation, what will you say about the construction of MINARS of Mosques which were not than and now every mosque having Minars, the Words of AZAM-e-Fajar which were added by Hazrat Umar RA and we are following without any hesitation or question. What about the high rize buildings, saying of prayer on Aeroplane, Vehicles which were not than. What will you say regarding loud speakers which are installed in every Mosque and were not during the era of Rasool Allah. Finally, we people were not than and are very much now mean we are the biggest bidaít.

Some of the Bidíts are Bidít-e-Ahsana which are accepted by majority of Muslims with the passage of time as we accepted the installatin of loud speakers in mosques, constructions of Minars, saying of prayer during air journey/road journey, addition of words in Azzan, compulsory JAMMAT of Nimaz-e-Travi. Therefore we should also accept celebration of Milad-un-Nabi and similar nature of acts which are not forbidden in Islam through NUS or Daleel.

Zirat-e-Qaboor is proved from Rasool Allah, therefore visiting of Qaboors is not forbidden or shirk, however, the way or acts may be questioned as if some one visits qaboors and offer due it is not only allowed but appreciable and should be followed but if some one do sajda or act like doing Sajda it is Shirk and Kuffar which is not acceptable in any Fiqah.

Siyah Posh Group: Members  Joined: 08th Apr, 2012  Topic: 0  Post: 251  Age:  49  
Posted on:2nd Jun 2012, 7:52am
 

Malik Zafar

i appreciate ur way of awnser

we dont love yazeed RA or hate any one but we have the point that when we are not allowed to say any one BAD after his death why we say to YAZEED RA any thing wt exactly we dont knw

any one can claim that wt is in the pages of history its exatly true?

we just trust only on QURAN & HADEES

insha Allah all muslims who love Mohammad SAW they ll stand with him SAW

celebiration of EIL MILAD ULNABI

as u said that what is not forbidon in islam its JAIZ

but when we hav the examples that KHULAFA RASHDEEN even ALI RA who is the most closest to Nabi SAW he did nt celebirate thn how we can start

n ok if we think its gud the way how we are celebirating is it as per SHARIYA?????

Bidaat means as per hadees any new thing in islam is bidaat

the example of TRAWEEH with JAMAAT its not bidaat cause Nabi SAW lead the TRAWEEH prayer once in his life so wt Nabi SAW did even one and hv no KRAHA its not bidaat

there is no BIDAAT HASNA or GHER HASAN

its said

ALL BIDAAT IS ZALALAH ( GUMRAHI)

if any thing accepted by majority it not means thats is right

ziyarat ul qaboor is prooven by NABI SAW but the way how we are going is it the way of NABI SAW????

Nabi SAW said ziyarat ul qaboor for the remembrance of death n qayamah not for all those wt we r doing there

so there is one point that

the things may be not wrong but the way is wrong so we hav to acces the way by QURAN & HADEES

MalikZafar Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2009  Topic: 2  Post: 40  Age:  50  
Posted on:2nd Jun 2012, 11:19pm
 

Qabar Aur Shirk

Siyah Posh

I am pleased to have reply from you.

Yes the way of celebrating Milad-un-Nabi SAW or ziyarat ul qaboor can be questioned. These must be within the limits laid down by Islam, but we can not totally disallow with out clear NUS of Quran or Hadees.

Not celebrating Milad-un-Nabi SAW by Sayaba RA or even by Hazrat Ali RA doesn't mean it is not allowed. Many acts we are doing were not done by Sahaba RA. Yes Urs being celebrated now a days at majority of Mazars is clear violation of Islam but if some one celebrate within the limits like reciting Quran and offer dua for the departed souls, it may not be forbidden.

I never said that Nimaz-e-Tarivi is Bid'at as i also offer Travi that too with Jamat and believe on it. But Rasool Allah SAW never offered travi with Jamat as a regular feature, they SAW offered it once with Jamat and discontinued thinking that it might be difficult for the people to come. They SAW made Islam easier for all.

I now some acts being done by the today's Muslims are not in accordance with the Islam they must be corrected. But totally disallowing without clear NUS is also not good.

Regards


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Posted on:7th Jun 2012, 3:27pm
 

Siyah Posh

Yeh kis aap k jahil pandit ne aap ko bata diya k shia ki history 460 hijjre mein likhi gaye :P

Aap woh jahil insan ho k jab Imam Hussain a.s k qatilon ki baat ho tum foran boltay ho shion ne khud shaheed kiya...

Jab hazrat usman k qatal ki baat ho to kehtay ho iss mein bhi shia ka hath hai...

Jab jamel o safeen ki baat ho to foran tumhara pandit moun kholta hai k iss mein shion ki shirarat thi...

Lakin jab history ki baat ho to kehtay ho k shia to 460 hijjre mein banay thay :P

Tum jahilon k kitnay jhoot pakron ga mein ??

Lakin aap se mujhay koi ilmi baat ki umeed hi nahi hai jo jahil insan yazeed lanati ko sahabi manta ho,uss jahil ko bhala Islam aur islam ki tarikh se kiya wasta ??

Aap ki misaal Hazrat Moosa a.s k gadhay se hai,jis per her waqt kitabein ladi rehti thein lakin phir bhi gadhay ka gadha hi raha :P

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Posted on:7th Jun 2012, 6:55pm
 

Yazeed Lanti hi haiN

Na wo sahaba haiN, na wo sahaba ikraam jese naek alfaaz ka haqdaar haiN, iss pe jitna peshab kia jaaye wo kam haiN. Allah ki Lanat hooN , Umat-e-Islam ke dushmano par.


Takbeer!
Siyah Posh Group: Members  Joined: 08th Apr, 2012  Topic: 0  Post: 251  Age:  49  
Posted on:9th Jun 2012, 12:46pm
 

Mufty

ji han islamic history 460 hijry main Abbasiyon k ehad main likhi gai hai aur shiyat ka mukamal zahoor ek firqa, ek fiqah ki shakal main huwa

is se pehlay shiyat mujtama nhn thi balkay mukhtalif groups thay jo resha dawaniyon main mashghool thay

main AAP JANAB se bat ker rah tah lekin TUM is qabil nhn ho

aur tumhari auqaat hi kya hai jo jhoot pakro tumhara deen khud jhoot ka pulanda hai

Usman RA ki shahadat se le ker 460 hijri tak tum log dubkay huway thay lekin abbasiyon k doar main tum log aik taqat ban ker ubhray kiun k BANU UMAIYA ne tum logon ko nakail dali hui thi isi liyay tum log chup ker sazishain ker rahay thay

tum logon ka JAD E AMJAD ABDULLAH BIN SABA hai jo k aik munafiq yahoodi tha aur jis ne islam ka libada orha hi is liyay tah k apni munafqat se shorash berpa keray

Usman RA k doar main MERWAN ka masla ABDULLAH BIN SABA ne hi khera kiya tha

masla to yeh hai na k tum log leraai kertay ho history per SHARAEE MASAIL per to tum logon k pass hai kuch nhn

any how tum logon se behas kya ki jai jab k kuch hai hi nhn tumharay pallay na deen na iman na aqeeda na ilam

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Posted on:9th Jun 2012, 12:51pm
 

alirajput

ali sahed ap k aisay konsay masail ak hal ap ko shiyat main mil gaya jo ap is terah gun ga rahay hain

jahan BHUTTO jesay ko mernaY K baad bura kehan juram hi nhn haraam hai wahan ap kis terah aik aisay shakhas k mutaliq ghalat alfaz use ker saktay hain jis k baray ap jantay hi kuch nhn

shiyon, brelwiyon ki tareekh k ilawa books perhain ap ko haqeeqat ka pata chal jai ga

humain is se gharaz nhn k kon sahi tha kon ghalat kiun k JANG E KARBALA aik SIYASI JANG thi jsi main deen ka kuch nhn bhala huwa

konsa islam mer gaya tha jo KARBALA baad zinda huwa balkay islam ki kamer main jo GHAAO laga aaj tak nhn bhera gaya

is liyay ap tehqeeq kerain kiun k yeh bhi hadees hai k

BINA TEHQEEQ K JO SUNI SUNI BAAT AGAY BERHAAI WOH BHI MUNAFIQ HAI

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Posted on:10th Jun 2012, 6:16am
 

siyah posh

Ab tumharay dil aur dharam ka bughz baahir aaya hai aur saaf zahir hota hai k tumharay dil mein Ahle Bait a.s k khilaf kitna bughz hai...

Pehli baat agar karbala ki jang siyasi hoti to Rasool Allah saww k paas Allah swt kabhi Hazrat Jibrael a.s ko karbala ki matti de ker na bhejta aur hi Rasool Allah saww Hazrat Umm Salma ko matti de ker jatay...

Aur agar jang siyasi thi to Imam Hussain a.s bhi foaj le ker hi jatay na k apnay bachay le ker jatay aur na unn ko wahan shaheed kerwatay...

Kis jahil ne tumhain bataya k siyasat mein iss terha apni nasal khatam ki jati hai ??

Koi aik siyasi misaal de saktay ho ??

Agar siyasat hi thi to phir to moqa dekh ker yazeed ki baiat ker letay aur baad mein baghawat ker k yazeed lanati ko khatam ker saktay thay,yeh kaisi iqtedar ki jang thi k apni nasal hi khatam kerwa di...kiya Imam Hussain a.s ko ilm nahi tha k meri nasal khatam ho jaye gi to phir iqtedar k kon mazay le ga ??

Kiya Makkah o Khana Kaaba per hamla bhi siyasi tha ??

Kiya waqiya hurra jis mein Madina per hamla kiya gaya woh bhi siyasi thi jis mein hazaron sahabi o tabaeen shaheed kiye yazeedi foaj ne ??

Aur kis jahil ne tujhay bata diya k siyasat mein agar kisi be-gunnah ko qatal ker do to tab bhi woh shaks bura nahi hota ??

Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 775  Age:  40  
Posted on:10th Jun 2012, 6:31am
 

siyaah posh

Tum jitni posts kertay ja rahay ho tumhari ilmi jahiliat utni hi wazeh ho rahi hai...

Tum keh rahay ho k usman k doar mein abdullah ibn saba jo yahudi se musalman hua tha woh shia aqeeda ka baani hai...

Mein tum se kuch sawal kerta hoon tum ne agar kabhi apni 47 saal ki jahilana zindagi mein tahqeeq ki ho to zaroor jawab dena...

ibn saba ka sab se pehlay drama saif bin umer ne apni book mein likha jisay kisi aur muhaqiq ne copy na kiya siwaye tabari k...kiun k ibn masoodi bhi tabari hi k doar ka tha,uss ki history perh lo uss ne ishara mein bhi nahi likha k iss terha ka koi shaks tha...

dosri book tabqaat ibn saad hai jo inn dono writers se shayed 100 saal pehlay likhi gaye yeni 2/3 century mein...uss ne bhi apni book mein koi ishara paish nahi kiya...

Ab tabari ne likha to uss ne bhi alag alag riwaytein quote kein yeni jahan saif ki riwayat quote ki wahan likh diya k yeh saif ki riwayat hai aur ussi waqiya per uss ne dosray raavion se bhi riwayat ki hai,tum agar 47 saal tak jhak marnay k bajaye thori books perh letay to tum itnay jahil na hotay history k baray mein...

Ab jahan tak baat hai saif bin umer to ussay tabari se le ker imam zahbi tak...sab ne ussay zandeeq kaha hai aur zandeeq se riwayat lena hi sahi nahi hai lakin tabari jo saif ko zandeeq bhi manta tha phir bhi uss se riwayat lein kiun k uss k paas koi aur tareeka nahi tha k usman k qatal k waqiya aur jang e jamel k waqiya ko change kerta,issi liye majboori mein uss ne aisa kiya...jo baad k writers ne apnaya aur aahista aahista tum jaisay jahil loagon ne uss afsanay ko haqeeqat bana ker paish ker diya...

Dr taha hussain jo egyptian scholar tha aur ahl sunnah k ulma mein bohat bara naam hai,uss ne bhi ibn saba k afsanay ko jhutlaya hai k iss terha ka koi waqiya nahi tha yeh sirf bohtan bandha gaya shia aqeeda k khilaf....

Ab jahan tak baat hai tumharay uss jhoot ki k 460 hijjre mein tum loagon ka wajood hua to yeh bhi tumhari jahiliat hai kiun k 255 hijjre tak to hamaray 12 aima a.s thay aur Imam Jaffer Sadiq a.s to tumharay abu hanifa aur dosray imam k ustad thay...aur tujh jahil ko to yeh bhi nahi pata k banu ummaiya ka doar 460 hijjre mein nahi balkeh uss se kam se kam 100/150 saal pehlay hi khatam ho gaya tha :P

Dekho zidd mein insan ko kuch nahi milta...tum tasleem ker lo k tumhain Islam aur islamic history k baray meink uch nahi pata aur mujh se request karo k mein utmhain iss ki taleem doon... ta k tum waqai Islam se ashna aho jao aur Islam per amal karo...

Baaki rahi sharai masail per baat to tum topic start kiun nahi ker letay jis mein tum samajhtay ho k tum bohat aalim ho shia mazhab uss mein jhoota hai ??

Koshish ker k dekh lo...iss mein kiya harj hai ??

Siyah Posh Group: Members  Joined: 08th Apr, 2012  Topic: 0  Post: 251  Age:  49  
Posted on:11th Jun 2012, 9:27am
 

mufty

Sorry

mujhay etraaf hai k hum jahil hain

kiun????

is liyay k ager koi PATHAR main se pani nikalnay ka sochay ya

tum logon ko IMAAN ki taleem de woh JAHIL hi ho ga

wesay bhi rah chaltay ager koi JANWER KATNAY AAI to hum log us k peechay nhn bhagtay katnay k liyay balkay apni jan bachatay hain is liyay tum logon ki to aadat hai her baat main koodna aur hum to wapis tum logon ki nhn KAAT saktay na

aakhir hum insaanon main aur tum main itna feraq to hai na

:):):)

JI NHN KISI SHIRAAI MASLAY PER AP SE BEHAS KI ZARURAT HI NHN KIUN HUMARAI AUR TUMHARI SHARIYAT MAIN HI ZAMEEN ASMAN KA FERAQ HAI

HUMARI SHARIYAT HAI QURAN AUR SAHAAI SITTA JIN PER TUM LOGON KA IMAAN HI NHN TO KESAY BEHAS HO SAKTI HAI

main to thread start kerun ga hi jab aur jo munasib samjhun ga

tum log bhi baaz nhn aao gay us main bolnay se lekin ab bas kiun k koi fayeda hi nhn tum log jo bhi response do gay meri teraf se koi bat nhn ho gi ha dooseron ko jawab dunga

aur jo thread tum log shuru kero gay us main jhankun ga bhi nhn kiun k SHER PHELANAY walay threads main jhankanay ka bhi koi fayeda nhn

:):):):

mujhay forum k hi aik buzurag ne samjhaya hai k kiun main apni zuban kharab ker raha hun tum logon se ler ker kiun k yeh BEHAS to hai nhn

BEHAS ka matlab hota hai TEHQEEQ jo tum log ki qismat main nhn

is liyay aaj se khatam tum log jo bhi chaho kaho koi jawab nhn dun ga

LEKIN

jo jo mujhay milta jai ga us ka thread banata jaun ga logon k ilam main izafay k liyay

so aaj se again

NAARAI CHUP

m.ahmed Group: Members  Joined: 18th Nov, 2011  Topic: 2  Post: 28  Age:  31  
Posted on:12th Jun 2012, 12:16am
 

Mufti & Siyah Posh

Both of you representing typical jahilana conversation which has been there for centuries. Yazeed sahabi hai ya nahi, etc. etc.
Just to let you both certain things from the past.
Wakiya e karbala, as it is being promoted in muslms today, has nothing to do with the facts. It was purely a political incidence which resulted in sad demise/shahadat of Hazrat Imam Hussain RA. Regardless of anything else, and with respect to the holiness of all the personalities, this has nothing to do with things being told such as "islam zinda hota hai her karbala ke badh". First of all, islam kisi ke baap ki jageer nahi, its not something owned by a human or any human, or even any Nabi. Its a religion, bestowed upon humanity by Allah. Allah is the custodian of Islam. therefore, all this is bullshit. Moreover, for you mufti, whenever, people tried to hide facts in history, they did it successfully by enclosing the realities in the deep down emotions of followers, just like selling the invisible. Just put the history posted by Shia'ats or Sunnis, and an independent research into history, if one really wants to find the truth, would let you know the facts. what you know and you hold in your mind, is nothing more than common bullshit. Just try to grow up mentally with your age. the worst thing with muslims today is that if they want to purchase a mobile they will ask a hundred people and will read a hundred reviews on internet but what religious beliefs they have, they are least concerned with the authenticity of these beliefs. Moreover, if you have a peculiar mindset of negating all the facts and let yourself flow with your blind emotion, that is the point where the doors of Hidayat get closed. The holy kooofa which has been fabricated in one sect's books as the holy land and land of good people and bla bla bla was the very land where whole conspiracy regarding the shahadat of Khanwada e rasool took place. MOreover, koofis were the people who abandoned the Holy Imam in the last battle. In addition to this, when hazrat Imam Hussain was about to leave madina, many sihaba who got their religious, political and military training from Nabi Pak SAW stopped him and even it is reported that some of them clutched his horse's legs and even his legs, ke ham aap ko yahan se janay nahi dain gay, koofa walon ki sarisht mein wafa nahi. And all these stories of humiliating hazrat Zainab etc. in yazeed darbar are nothing more than fables, never proved independently. Please dont be shocked or respond with typical jahilana gali galoch attitude, you will be wasting my time and yours also. In addition to all this, the political nature of karbala incidence is proved with the fact that Islamic system continued to survive to next 13 centuries in various forms. Moreover, there is always a clear distinction between the morality of individual and morality of a nation/politics. In urdu infiradi ikhlakiyat alag hoti hain aur siyasi ikhlakiyat alag. ye aap ke zehan se uper ke baat hai let me explain. Any system, any nation or any state, when exists always try to reinforce itself by eliminating the destabilizing factors acting against the system. That is why if a man kills his brother in normal life, it is under infiradi ikhlakiyat which is really a sin, but if being a king, I am facing a problem where the stability of the nation is in jeopardy due to my own brother, and many lives are expected to get wasted due to this, I would not spare it to weaken the country, nation and will forcefully neutralize it. It is a typical natural phenomenon, and quite scientific in nature (and yes, it has also been done in Iran after islami inqilab, please refer to the facts and figure available at internet and many other authentic sources regarding how shia'at government proceeded against sunni strongholds and sunni minority). Exactly the same happened in Karbala, somehow the kharji factor who was responsible for shahadat of hazrat umar, usman and hazrat ali managed to convey hazrat imama hussain that yazeed is doing some bad things, and at the same time conveyed yazeed that imam hussain wants to demolish his throne. however, there has not been proved anywhere except Shia literature, not even in independent history that yazeed ordered murder of imam hussain, Rather the kharji factor based on farsi or majosi iran, originating from the parsi culture from iranian origin, in form of shimar etc was responsible for the massacre. if you have some courage to check your ideology, you can get urself a chance to benefit from a free flow of information on internet and please dont waste my time by pasting links of those website which share your mindset, please try to reason the facts which have been given against you, you can give a better try.
Now, Siyah posh, i would like to tackle your set of arguments, yazeed was sahabi, yes its true, he participated in many ghazwas and was given basharat of jannah in his life by the Holy Prophet SAW. yes that's true as per Saha e Sitta (6 authetic books of hadith) however, i would like to quote some other things, first, according to hazrat umar, ager firat ke kinaray bakri ka aik bacha bhi piyas se mar gaya to kayamat ke din umar ko hisab dayna hoga. is criteria to ko rakho samnay aur judge kero, ye kisi bakri ke bachay ka mamla nahi, Nabi Karim SAW ke nawasay ka katal hai.
And i would like to put more questions for you two, blowing eachother's minds, Nabi karim SAW ke kya hazrat imam hussain aur imam hassan hi nawasay thay, aur koi nawasa nahi tha, most of the muslims dont know this, aur aik taraf aap ka aik jamhor apnay Nabi SAW ke ghaib ka ilam rakhnay ka manta hai aur dosri taraf aik firqa wahi ke galat nazool ka rona rota hai, kabhi bakri ke kuran ke siparay khanay ki batain kerta hai, kabhi etc, aur dosri taraf kisi ko ye bhi nahi pata ke Nabi Pak SAW ki total Aaal mein tha kon kon, Chand makhsoos mutabarak shaksiyat ko hi promote kernay ka maksad kya hai? Panjtan paak (which means baki sab napaak) jese ridiculous concepts jin ka wajood na quran se sabit hai na hadith se na sunna se, Siwaye aik minor si hadees ke, jis ke baray mein i am still at doubt, aur mazahiya batain phayla ker islam ko koi deomalayi kissay kahaniyan banana kahan ki akal hai, waqiya e karbala ke facts kuch aur hain, aur kissay jo mashhoor hai lagta hai koi jinnati kahaniyan sun rahay hain, o bhaiyon insano ko insan hi rehnay do, bari meharbani hogi.
For you mufti, please come up with some reaons, dont waste my time. Same for you Siyah Posh
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