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Males or female molestation mein kia farq hai yani kin kin tariqon se molestation ki jati hai?

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aiki Group: Members  Joined: 03rd Apr, 2009  Topic: 12  Post: 84  Age:  27  
Posted on:6th Jan 2017, 10:08am
 

Males or female molestation mein kia farq hai yani kin kin tariqon se molestation ki jati hai?

Amoman hum news ya degar zaraiye se rape k baray khabrain suntey rehtey hain. Agar ye rape ka shikar koi female ho to zehan na chahtey huey bhi vaginal penetration ki tarf jata hai magar in opposite case jab male rape ka shikar ho to kuch ajeeb bhi lagta hai. Mein is sorat-e-hal ko questions mein wazeh karney ki koshish karta hon…

 

1.       Agr eik aurat rape ka shikar hoti hai to kia vaginal penetration k ilawa bhi rape ki koi surat ho sakti hai?

2.       Agar koi mard rape ka shikar ho to is rape ki sorat-e-hal ya kefiat kia ho sakti hai?

3.       Agar rape karney wala male ho aur rape victim bhi eik male ho to ye kasy mumkin hai (I mean to say k is tara rape kasy mumkin hai)?

4.       Agar rape karney wali female ho aur rape victim male to ye sorat-e-hal kasy mumkin hai?

5.       Likewise agar rape karney wali female ho aur victim bhi female to yeh sorat-e-hal bhi kaey mumkin hai?

6.       In any case Gang rape ki term kb use ki jati hai?

7.       Rape victims agr male ho to us pe kis kism k physical aur psychological affect ho saktey hain?

8.       Aur agar female ho to kia sorat-e-hal ho sakti hai?

9.       Hmarey masharey mein mardon ko mahavratan ‘’nahaya dhoya ghora” bhi kaha jata hai yani agar wo kisi bad faili ka irtakab bhi ker lain to duniya us ki utni parwa nai karti jitni aurat k havaley se karti ha…Kia ye bat darust hai? If yes why?

10.   Molestation aur rape mein kia bunyadi farq hai?

11.   Males or female molestation mein kia farq hai yani kin kin tariqon se molestation ki jati hai? Ye sawal kai pehlo’on se bohat hi eham hai kyon aksar college age k students aur teenagers ko is ka sahi tor pe ilam hi nai hota aur wo is bad faili ka shikar hotey rehtey hain. mein members k jawabat k bad is pe mazeed detail se bat karney ka irada rakhta hon…

12.   Molestation or bad faili se bachao k liye kia ehtiati tadabeer ikthtiar ki ja sakti hain for both males and females?

13.   Kia molestation aur rape ki terms between married couples use ki ja sakti hai?

14.   Kia married couples mein either male or female partner kisi dosrey pe zabardasti karey to kia ye bhi rape kehlaye ga? If no why?

Hopefully senior members will reply in detail...


Activist Group: Members  Joined: 04th Feb, 2012  Topic: 13  Post: 395  Age:  27  
Posted on:15th Jan 2017, 10:05am
 

in my view

apne aik hi post me bht se sawalat poch liye hain. ye sb alag alag sawal ho skte hain.q k ye sb hmare mashray k bht ehem masaail hain or masaail bhi wo jin k baray me baat nai ki jati naa baat krne ko pasnd kia jata hai.

rape kisi bhi sakhs ki ijazat k bghhair us k jism me sexual penetration ka naam hai. is me amoman force lgai jati hai, abuse kia jata hai or victim ki ijazat k bghair zabardasti kiya jata hai.

this is definition of rape on Wikipedia

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent. The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.

Ab aa jate hain molestation pe.

Aik definition k mutabiq molestation ye hai

the crime of sexual acts with children up to the age of 18, including touching of private parts, exposure of genitalia, taking of pornographic pictures, rape, inducement of sexual acts with the molester or with other children, and variations of these acts by pedophiles. Molestation also applies to incest by a relative with a minor family member, and any unwanted sexual acts with adults short of rape.

Ab ap dono me faraq kr skte hain.

Ab me apni observation kmutabiq ap k sawalaat k jawab de rhi hu. Ap in se disagree kr skte hain.

1. Agr eik aurat rape ka shikar hoti hai to kia vaginal penetration k ilawa bhi rape ki koi surat ho sakti hai?

rape ka mtlb victim ki marzi k khilaf us k abuse klye ya maza chhakhanay k lye sexual penetration krna. Ye penetration vaginal b ho skti hai or anal bhi.mere khyal me to oral bhi rape k zumray em ani chahye. Per shayed oral rape me na use ki jati ho q k us surat me victim apne daanto ka khob istemal kr skti hai.

2. Agar koi mard rape ka shikar ho to is rape ki sorat-e-hal ya kefiat kia ho sakti hai?

Anal sex

3. Agar rape karney wala male ho aur rape victim bhi eik male ho to ye kasy mumkin hai (I mean to say k is tara rape kasy mumkin hai)?

Mumkin hai. Anal rape ho skta hai.

4. Agar rape karney wali female ho aur rape victim male to ye sorat-e-hal kasy mumkin hai?

Mjhy is ka koi idea nahi. Lekin ho skta hai is surat me aorta bht powerful ho. Status me. or wo by force larkay ko force kre is sb k lye.

5. Likewise agar rape karney wali female ho aur victim bhi female to yeh sorat-e-hal bhi kaey mumkin hai?

Well mera nai khyal k ye mumkin hain. Aorta aorta k sath kuch kre to victim usay rok skti hai, aik aorta ko roknaa asaan hta hai.han agr wo aorta influential ho or victim k kuch secrets us k pas ho to wo usay blackmail kr k kuch b kr skti hai. Jis me foreplay hos kta hai.. sex toys use kiye ja skte hain. Ya fingering wghera.

6. In any case Gang rape ki term kb use ki jati hai?

Gang rape you must know. Jb aik se ziada log mil kar aik victim k sath rape krte hain. Ye to amoman panchayato k faislo me b nazar ata hai. Mukhtaran mai case dekh le.

7. Rape victims agr male ho to us pe kis kism k physical aur psychological affect ho saktey hain? 8. Aur agar female ho to kia sorat-e-hal ho sakti hai?

I think ye jo psychological effects hai wo kaafi had tk same ho skte hain. Confidence na rhna, apnea p ko blame krna, isolate hna, apnea p ko bura smjhna, burai me par janaa.

9. Hmarey masharey mein mardon ko mahavratan ‘’nahaya dhoya ghora” bhi kaha jata hai yani agar wo kisi bad faili ka irtakab bhi ker lain to duniya us ki utni parwa nai karti jitni aurat k havaley se karti ha…Kia ye bat darust hai? If yes why?

Ye bat had darja darust hai. Mard ko aise hi pak saaf smjha jata hai. Aorta ko shadi ki raat bhi shak k sath dekha jata hai. Blood nikle to shohar tasali rkhta hai wrna shak me hi rhta hai. Or mard ka chahay affair ho ya zina ho usay aj kal itni ehmiyat nai di jati. Jo k ghalat hai. Bcha hai, na smjh hai. Yye kah kr jan chura lete hain. Mard dosri shadi kre to fakhar kiaa jata hai k koi nai jawan bndaa hai. Jawani se muraad us ka penis hai. Hmare mashray me mardo pe fakahr krne kk lye aik hi wja kafi hai or wo hai un ka penis.

10. Molestation aur rape mein kia bunyadi farq hai?

ye shuru me definitions me btaya ja chukka hai. Ap dekh skte hain

11. Males or female molestation mein kia farq hai yani kin kin tariqon se molestation ki jati hai? Ye sawal kai pehlo’on se bohat hi eham hai kyon aksar college age k students aur teenagers ko is ka sahi tor pe ilam hi nai hota aur wo is bad faili ka shikar hotey rehtey hain. mein members k jawabat k bad is pe mazeed detail se bat karney ka irada rakhta hon…

Ye bht ehem sawal hai. Hmare han aksar molestation ya harassment ko crime smjha hi nahi jata. Larkiyo ko pas se guzarte hwe cher dete hain jo k larkiyaa apna hi kasoor smjhti hain. Pas se guzarte hwe mashAllah, subhanAllah, sexy, ya body parts k slang word khnaa bht aam hai. Larkiyaa chup rhti hain kuch nai khti. Kh b kya skti hain.

Isi trha aise hta hai k pas se guzarte hwe hip pe ungle pher jaye gi. Ya peechay se atay hwe larki k hip me ungli dalne ki koshish kre gy. Larki k pas se guzarte hwe apne bazu phela lena k wo bazu us k boobs ko maslatay hwe lgay. Ya aksar manchalay jo bike ya cycle pe ho pass se guzartay hwe aik db seenay pe hath martay hain. Dabatay hain or nikal jate hain. Ye sb bt aam hai.

Mere sath to aik bar aise bhi hwa k me bus ko apne stop se lene ki bijayee aik stop aga se leti thi k chalo aik stop ki walk ho jaye gi. Teen din me lag pta gya k bhai Pakistan hai. Yaha ye nai ho skta. Me nikalti thi, handsfree lga leti thi. Or jaha ziada log the waha chalti thi ta k sunsaan rasta dekh k koi chere naa. Mene ghor kiaa k hr do minute baad aik admi agay aa k bike rok k khara ho jata hai or phone kaan se lgaye baaat kr rha hta hai. Mere kaano me hands free hti thi awaz pta nahi lgti thi. Jb wo admi mene 5,6 baar dekha to mjhy shak hwa k ye mere peechay lga hwa hai. Mene music ki awaz kam ki or sunne ki koshish ki k wo kya kh rha hai to yakeen manay mere hosh ur gayee. Wo slang language use kr rha thaa. Ph kaan se lgaayee. K uff tmhara jism to aisa hai. Me ab jism k parts k slang words nai likh rhi. Q k forum policy nai hai, wo sb naam le rha tha k dil kr rha hai me tmhare sath sex kru. You can replace all dictionary words with slang ones. Us k baad mene aise road pe jana chor dia.

Amoman larkiya is ko apna kasoor smjhti hain. Kuch hmari mazhhabi values ki b wja se. k oho us ne mjy aisa kaha qk mene burqa nai pehna thaa.

12. Molestation or bad faili se bachao k liye kia ehtiati tadabeer ikthtiar ki ja sakti hain for both males and females?

Mera to khyal hai insaani nasal bs khtm ho jani chahye. Qayamat aa jani chahye. Bht ho gai dunyaa. Is k ilawa koi hal nai is cheez ka

13. Kia molestation aur rape ki terms between married couples use ki ja sakti hai? And 14. Kia married couples mein either male or female partner kisi dosrey pe zabardasti karey to kia ye bhi rape kehlaye ga? If no why?

Obviously use ki ja skti hain or ye bakaida use hoti hain. Hmare han marital rape ko itni ehmiyat nai di jati. Lekin ye ghalat hai. Hmare han aorta shadi k abd khud ko mard ka sex slave smjh elti hain. Farishtay laanat krte hain raat bhar. Ye soch k hr zulm sehti hain. Or wo khain bhi kisay. Jisay kahaingi wo kahay ga k tmhara shohar hai jo marzi kre.

Hmare han mard hazrat ko shuru se ye training di jati hai k tm mard ho, tmhare pas penis hai, taqat hai, tm kuch b kr skte ho, is ki misaal ap har jaga dekh sktehain. Social media pe koi larki kisi k khilaf bol de. Pehe admi arguments de gyy jb wo khtm ho jaye gy tb kahay gy ao zara tmhe me apne penis ka maza chakhata hu.

Ap offices me dekh le waha b ye haal hai. Shadi me b aisa hta hai. Bivi ko maza chakhanay k lye ya kisi baat per saza dene k lye rape kia jata hai. Sex is a very sensitive thing. Ye kese ki jati hai us se matlb badal jata hai. Koi banda sex kr k ap ko izat de skta hai. Yaha banday se muraad shohar hai. Sex k doraan ap ka dhyaan rkhe. Poray amal me apni hawas ya zarorat zahir krne ki bjaye ye zahir kre k usay is haal me b ap ki aprwa hai. Ap ko dard to nai ho rha, ap ko ajeeb to nail g rha. Koi cheez jo ap ko buri lg rhi ho.

Jb k rape ki surat me pehle talkh kalami phir us ko marnaa phir apni shalwar utarna, us ki utarna or zabardasti penetration krna. Ye rape hwa. Ab wo ja k kisay btyae. Married log is pe ziada roshni dal skte hain lekin kon married kahay ga k han mene apni bivi ka rape kia hai yak on aorta kahay gi k mere huby ne mera rape kia hai? No one.

bushra2012 Group: Members  Joined: 15th Oct, 2013  Topic: 1  Post: 1795  Age:  80  
Posted on:16th Jan 2017, 12:31pm
 

username aiki - questions about rape or molestation

Activist ne aapko achay aur comprehensize jawabaat de diay hain. Kuch baton ki wazahat zaruri hai:

1. Rape and violence: Zaruri nahen ke rape violent ho. Kisi ko daboch kar uski shalwar aur panties phaaR daali jaen aur vaginal penetration ki jae, tab to rape hai he hai. Iske ilawa, rape ka matlab hota hai, "marzi ke khilaf razamand hona". Maslan kuch offices mein, females job kar rahi hoti hain.

Unhein kaha jata hai,
jinsi fawaid faraham karo,
warna kisi tarah ka nuqsaan ho sakta hai,
maslan salary stop ho sakti hai, increment naheen lage ga,
special assignments nahen milenge (har job mein kuch routine work hota hai, aur kuch special assignments, special assignments ki wajah se taraqqi hoti hai, routine work ki wajah se hoti hui taraqqi bhi ruk jati hai, ummeed hai samajhte honge),
kai jagahon pe job hasil karne kelye bhi sex karwana parta hai, bajae job performance ke, sex performance ki bunyad pe job de di jati hai, aam taur pe aisi company ziada arsa chal bhi nahen pati, kyunkeh iss tarah na-ahl afraad ki he selection hoti hai.

Iss tarah ki job situation main, aisa nahen hota ke kisi female ko saRak pe he lita dia, balkeh iss tarah ke halaat bana dye jatay hein ke woh sex karne pe maboor ho jae. Uskay baad sex hota normal type ka hai.

Asal chakkar hai difference of power ka, isko doosray andaaz mein majboori ka istehsaal bhi kaha ja sakta hai.

Kai males ko bhi male bosses ya female bosses ki janib se sexual coercion ka samna karna parta hai. Kuch males ki kahanian bhi samne aain jin main unki female boss ne unse sex karwaya, warna unn (males) ki taraqqi ruk jati. Kuch males ne aisi harkaton ko bardaasht na kartay huay job chor di.

Conclusion: Rape ka violent hona zaruri nahen.

2. Female ki janib se male ka rape: Hairat ki baat hai ke NCF pe aisa sawal poocha ja raha hai, jabke yahan majority participants muslim hain aur Yusuf AS ka waqea Quran mein mojud hai. Kia aap loagon ko Yusuf AS ka waqea nahen malum? Kyunkeh difference of power thaa, badshah ki biwi ne unn par rape attempt ki. Pehle usne seducation ki koshish ki, nakaam hui, Yusuf AS raazi he na huay, phir usne coercion ki koshish ki, kyunkeh difference of power jo thaa, na maante, to dunyawi nuqsaan ka darr thaa. Phir zulekha ne unpe baqaeda jinsi hamla kia, usmain bhi nakaam hui to ghussa mein aa kar unhain jail mein band karwa dia aur yun unki poori jawani jail main satyanaas hogai.

3. Male ki janib se male ka rape: aik male doosray male ko anally penetrate kar sakta hai. Isi tarah kuch males penetrate karnay ke nahen, penetrate karwanay ko prefer kartay hain, woh bhi job situation, ya kisi doosri situation mein social status ke difference ka faida utha kar kisi ko majboor karna ke woh anally penetrate karay.

4. Marital rape: Yeh aik subjective topic hai. NCF pe bhi marital rape se mutalliq topics banay hain. Iskay ilawa chand desi blogs jo Pakistan se talluq rakhtay hain, unpe marital rape ke mutalliq surveys huay hain. Marital rape ko define karna mushkil to nahen, lekin marital rape ko court of law main lana aur sabit karna az-hadd mushkil hai.
Sharai taur pe, biwi ke saath zabardasti nahen ki ja sakti, jesa ke hadees se pata chala, ke jo shohar biwi ke sex se mana karnay ki wajah se ghussay mein bistar pe chala gya, uski biwi pe tamam makhlooq raat bhar laanat bhejay gi.

Yaqeenan iss hadees ki tashreeh yehi nikalti hai ke shohar ne biwi ke mana karnay ke baad gham-o-ghussa mehsus kia. Agar woh biwi ke mana karnay ke bawajud bhi sex kar dalay, to phir tamam makhlooq ke laanat bhejnay ka jawaz khatam ho jayga kyunkeh hadees ki condition yeh bhi hai ke woh sex na milne ki wajah se ghum-o-ghussa ka shikaar ho kar akela he bistar pe chala jae. Albatta doosri janib bibion ko naseehat ki gai hai ke chahay handi jal jae shohar ki zaroorat zarur poori karo.

Biwion kelye bhi ismain yehi hikmat hai ke na chahtay huay bhi kar dain warna shohar kaheen aur jaega aur phir muashray mein kuch aur bigaaR paida hoga.

Albatta meri observation rahi hai ke aksar khawateen iss hadees ko ignore karti hain aur shohar ko sex ke lye tarsa/tarpa kar khush hoti hain. Jawaban kuch shohar to NCF pe aa kar topic bana detay hain baaqi shohar biwi ke saath zabardasti kar ke usko uski "auqaat" yaad dila detay hain (whatever that may mean, it is quoted by me that is why it is in quotation marks).

5. Molestation: Jesa ke ooper bataya gya hai ke rape ka violent hona koi zruri nahen. Isi tarah kai bachon ya bachion ke saath jo sex kia jata hai, usmain bachay/bachi ki mukammal marzi hasil ki jati hai. Jiska tareeqa yeh hota hai ke usko toffee ya kisi aur cheez ka lalach dya jata hai ya phir uskay fitri tajassus ko misuse kia jata hai aur phir uska saath sexual acts kiye jatay hain jismein penetrative acts bhi shamil ho sakte hain.
Yeh wajah he ke rape aur sexual molestation ki defination distinct ki gai hai.
Rabihas Group: Members  Joined: 08th Jan, 2017  Topic: 6  Post: 38  Age:  20  
Posted on:18th Jan 2017, 1:16am
 

I think there should be laws

There should be marital rape laws in pakistan. What if the husband is not a good man? The woman still has to do it with him? This is not fair. This is unfair to the ladies. Mard kuch bhi kare woh theek hai aur aurat apne liye awaaz utaye to woh ghalat? Marital rape should be banned. It is very dehumanizing to the wife. I live in America and all women get full rights here even if it is after marraige
myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 133  Post: 8397  Age:  58  
Posted on:21st Jan 2017, 4:13am
 

"marital rape" ???

In Islamic teaching, there is no any concept of "marital rape".

Any muslim (male /female) can not ask for any "un-islamic-right".

In usa, male n female both are "allowed" to do sex with any person (even without marriage) if both are agreed. But Islam doesn't give this "right" to muslim men n women.

do not mix up islamic teaching with the "teaching" of non-islamic society.
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Posted on:21st Jan 2017, 4:52am
 

So you are supporting marital rape?????

I am not mixing western with islamic views. But rape regardless of getting married or not is VERY dehumanizing and has a very bad psychological impact. The one who gets raped feels the pain. Marraige doesn't mean that rights of an individual should be taken away regardless of being a man or a woman.
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Posted on:22nd Jan 2017, 10:47am
 

"marital rape"

"marital rape" doesn't exist in islam. Allah knows better about human and humanism. "Rape" (i.e. ZINA) in islam is always consider as sexual relationship between men n women without marriage regardless both of them are happy to do or not.

So called "humanism" that forbidden marital rape (among husbands n wives) also allows sexual relationship among all men n women with mutual understanding even they are not married each other.

A true muslim always accept "teaching package" of islam completely.

wallaho aalam bissawab
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Posted on:23rd Jan 2017, 11:49pm
 

@Activist

1. Agr eik aurat rape ka shikar hoti hai to kia vaginal penetration k ilawa bhi rape ki koi surat ho sakti hai?

rape ka mtlb victim ki marzi k khilaf us k abuse klye ya maza chhakhanay k lye sexual penetration krna. Ye penetration vaginal b ho skti hai or anal bhi.mere khyal me to oral bhi rape k zumray em ani chahye. Per shayed oral rape me na use ki jati ho q k us surat me victim apne daanto ka khob istemal kr skti hai.

maza chhakhanay k lye agar rape kis jata hai yani other words badla lany k liye to aisa married couples k darmyan bhi ho sakta hai jahan chances aur bhi ziada hotey hain. to phir dono cases mein farq kia hua? (shar’ai ref se poch raha hon)


4. Agar rape karney wali female ho aur rape victim male to ye sorat-e-hal kasy mumkin hai?

Mjhy is ka koi idea nahi. Lekin ho skta hai is surat me aorta bht powerful ho. Status me. or wo by force larkay ko force kre is sb k lye.

To is sorat-e-hal mein rape kasy mumkin ho ga. Jesa k ap ny previous question k jawab mein kaha hai k male to male rape anal sex ho sakta. Or jahan tak by force ki ap ney bat ki to is ko bhi thora explain ker dain kyon k aurat k pas to penis type koi cheez nai hoti jis sey wo penetration karey.

5. Likewise agar rape karney wali female ho aur victim bhi female to yeh sorat-e-hal bhi kaey mumkin hai?

Well mera nai khyal k ye mumkin hain. Aorta aorta k sath kuch kre to victim usay rok skti hai, aik aorta ko roknaa asaan hta hai.han agr wo aorta influential ho or victim k kuch secrets us k pas ho to wo usay blackmail kr k kuch b kr skti hai. Jis me foreplay hos kta hai.. sex toys use kiye ja skte hain. Ya fingering wghera.

Jesa k eurpoe mein aisa bohat sunnaney mein a raha hai k wahan 2 women ya 2 men apas mein shadi ker laty hain to obviously wo isi tara se apni sexual needs pori karty hon gey but mera yahan eik sawal hai aur wo ye k ye eik gher fitarti relationship hai to eik gher fitarati relationship kasey mumkin hai? Kia aisey logon ko sakoon mil jata hai? Is ka khayal ana kisi nafsiyati problem ki waja sey hai? Matlab ye kia hai? Europe ki kuch countries mein to baqaida qanoon sazi ki gai hai is baray mein jab k dosri taraf wo log hum sey ziada talem yafta bhi hain. yeh sab batain bazahir samjh mein nai atin…

6. In any case Gang rape ki term kb use ki jati hai?

Gang rape you must know. Jb aik se ziada log mil kar aik victim k sath rape krte hain. Ye to amoman panchayato k faislo me b nazar ata hai. Mukhtaran mai case dekh le.

Yahan bhi eik sawal mary zehan mein hai k aisey cases mein jahan gang rape kia jata hai aur eik se ziada mard penetration kartey hain to aurat k andar kia complications nai ati hon gi. I mean to say k kia 2 mukhtalif mardon ka sperm aurat k egg ko fertilize ker sakta hai? Agar han to peda honey waley bachey pe is k kia asrat hon gey? Is case agar pregnancy ho jati hai to haml tehrana jaiz ho ga ya najaiz? Agar maan najaiz aulad peda na karna chahti ho to islam aur hamara qanoon is baray mein kia kehta hai? Ye bat bhi mashoor hai k ganda khoon apna asar dikhata hai aur aisa hum amooman dekhtey bhi hain to kia is qias pey najaiz aulad ko peda karna chahiye ya nai? Lastly rape k cases mein hamarey hospitals mein kia practice hai yani aisey patients ko kis tara deal kia jata hai (kyon k fori to pregnancy bhi shaid mumkin nai hoti aur patient bhi trauma mein hota hai)?

11. Males or female molestation mein kia farq hai yani kin kin tariqon se molestation ki jati hai? Ye sawal kai pehlo’on se bohat hi eham hai kyon aksar college age k students aur teenagers ko is ka sahi tor pe ilam hi nai hota aur wo is bad faili ka shikar hotey rehtey hain. mein members k jawabat k bad is pe mazeed detail se bat karney ka irada rakhta hon…

Ye bht ehem sawal hai. Hmare han aksar molestation ya harassment ko crime smjha hi nahi jata. Larkiyo ko pas se guzarte hwe cher dete hain jo k larkiyaa apna hi kasoor smjhti hain. Pas se guzarte hwe mashAllah, subhanAllah, sexy, ya body parts k slang word khnaa bht aam hai. Larkiyaa chup rhti hain kuch nai khti. Kh b kya skti hain.

Isi trha aise hta hai k pas se guzarte hwe hip pe ungle pher jaye gi. Ya peechay se atay hwe larki k hip me ungli dalne ki koshish kre gy. Larki k pas se guzarte hwe apne bazu phela lena k wo bazu us k boobs ko maslatay hwe lgay. Ya aksar manchalay jo bike ya cycle pe ho pass se guzartay hwe aik db seenay pe hath martay hain. Dabatay hain or nikal jate hain. Ye sb bt aam hai.

Ye bohat purani baat hai jab meri umar bohat kam thi but mein shaoor rakhta tha k eik bar mein bazar se guzar raha tha. Din ka waqt tha aur kafi rush tha. Usually bazaron mein rush ki waja bhi aurtein hoti hain. Is doran eik nojwan mujh se agey chalti hui larki k hips ko touch karta hua guzar gia. Us larki ney peechay mur k dekha magar wo aobash nojwan itni dair mein bheer mein ghum ho chukka tha. Mein ney jab pehli bar aisa live hote huey dekha to mujha bara ajeeb sa laga magar mujha bilkul samajh nai thi k ye sab kuch kia hai. Kafi disgusting feel hua agarche mein is amal mein sharrek na tha. Aj tak ye bat marey zehan mein bethi hui hai aur jab kabhi koi aisi bat ho to mujhay us waqey ki yad a jati hai aur mujhay nauseating feelings hoti hain. ye aj se koi 10, 12 sal purani bat hai aur aj kal ki khawateen is se waqif bhi hon gi jesa k ap ney openly is pey bat ki magar ye bhi dekhney mein ata hai k us dor k muqabley mein aj ziada beyhayai hai aur on the contrary aurtein utna hi ziada pardey aur libas k mamley mein casual hain. is ki kia waja hai? Secondly mein yahan kuch aur sawalat bhi pochna chahta hon aur being a female mujhay umeed hai k ap ziada achey tareekay se is bat ko explain ker sakti hain…

1. Kaha jata hai k fashion karna aurat ki kamzori hai. Kia ap is bat se agree karti hain? in yes/no, why?

2. Ap k nazdeek eik aurat k liye fashion ki kia limit honi chahiye?

3. Ap k khayal mein kia (not in all cases) aurton ka dashion ker k bahar nikalna molestation ki waja ho sakti hai? Whether you agree or not You can explain if you wish…

4. Aj ki larkiyan molestation aur sexual acts ko ziada behtar janti hain (in my opinion due to education) lekin most of them don’t care about hajab and proper dressing…why?

5. Ap ki opinion mein eik larki jo jeanz aur shirt pehan ker ja rahi hai ya in other case tang pajama pehney huey hai ya us ki qameez ka kaj aisa hai k azar band dikhai dey raha ho to kia ye aobash mardon k liye dawat-e-aam nai?

6. Kia aisi larki mentally in sab baton k liye tyar nai hoti ho gi k us k sath kia ho sakta hai? To kia ye nai kaha ja sakta k ye sab kam (not in all cases) eik khamosh aur mutual understanding k sath ho rahey hain? you can explain better?

7. Aj kal to sardiyan hain to sab ney hi sweater pehan rakhey hain Phir ye bhi eik common observation hai k garmyon mein halat aur ziada buray dikhai datey hain k jahan aurtein garmi ka jawaz pesh ker k aisa libas zeb-e-tan kar leti hain jis se k zer-e-jama libas nazar a raha hota hai aur aj kal to ye bhi dekhney mein aya hai k chon k her ghar mein behan bhai to hotey hi hain to ghar k in qareebi aur blood relations ki aar ley k to bilkul bhi parwa nai ki jati k hamara bhai hi to hai. Aisa shakhs ab apni behan k baray mein to bura nai sochey ga magar kia ghar se bahar us ki soch saaf reh paye gi? Murad kehney ki ye hai k agar dekha jaey to eik aurat hi us k jazbat dosri aurat k liye brangheta kerney ka sabab ban rahi hai (yahan mein jins-e-mukhalif ko hargiz leverage nai dey raha) ap ka is pey kia take hai? Jab k pardey k basic principles to same hain khawa aurat ghar se bahar ho ya andar…

“Amoman larkiya is ko apna kasoor smjhti hain. Kuch hmari mazhhabi values ki b wja se. k oho us ne mjy aisa kaha qk mene burqa nai pehna thaa.”

Oper pochey gaye sawalat ap ki isi bat se marey zehan mein peda huey hain…

12. Molestation or bad faili se bachao k liye kia ehtiati tadabeer ikthtiar ki ja sakti hain for both males and females?

Mera to khyal hai insaani nasal bs khtm ho jani chahye. Qayamat aa jani chahye. Bht ho gai dunyaa. Is k ilawa koi hal nai is cheez ka

Beharhal ye nizam Allah k hath mein hay aur hamarey chahney na chahney sa khatam nai ho ga. Ye bhi meri post ka eik intehai eham sawal hai aur mein ap k sath degar members ko bhi is pey discussion karney ki dawat deta hon…

13. Kia molestation aur rape ki terms between married couples use ki ja sakti hai? And 14. Kia married couples mein either male or female partner kisi dosrey pe zabardasti karey to kia ye bhi rape kehlaye ga? If no why?

Obviously use ki ja skti hain or ye bakaida use hoti hain. Hmare han marital rape ko itni ehmiyat nai di jati. Lekin ye ghalat hai. Hmare han aorta shadi k abd khud ko mard ka sex slave smjh elti hain. Farishtay laanat krte hain raat bhar. Ye soch k hr zulm sehti hain. Or wo khain bhi kisay. Jisay kahaingi wo kahay ga k tmhara shohar hai jo marzi kre.

Hmare han mard hazrat ko shuru se ye training di jati hai k tm mard ho, tmhare pas penis hai, taqat hai, tm kuch b kr skte ho, is ki misaal ap har jaga dekh sktehain. Social media pe koi larki kisi k khilaf bol de. Pehe admi arguments de gyy jb wo khtm ho jaye gy tb kahay gy ao zara tmhe me apne penis ka maza chakhata hu.

Ap offices me dekh le waha b ye haal hai. Shadi me b aisa hta hai. Bivi ko maza chakhanay k lye ya kisi baat per saza dene k lye rape kia jata hai. Sex is a very sensitive thing. Ye kese ki jati hai us se matlb badal jata hai. Koi banda sex kr k ap ko izat de skta hai. Yaha banday se muraad shohar hai. Sex k doraan ap ka dhyaan rkhe. Poray amal me apni hawas ya zarorat zahir krne ki bjaye ye zahir kre k usay is haal me b ap ki aprwa hai. Ap ko dard to nai ho rha, ap ko ajeeb to nail g rha. Koi cheez jo ap ko buri lg rhi ho.

Jb k rape ki surat me pehle talkh kalami phir us ko marnaa phir apni shalwar utarna, us ki utarna or zabardasti penetration krna. Ye rape hwa. Ab wo ja k kisay btyae. Married log is pe ziada roshni dal skte hain lekin kon married kahay ga k han mene apni bivi ka rape kia hai yak on aorta kahay gi k mere huby ne mera rape kia hai? No one.

Ap ki batain kafi sense rakhti hain magar mein ney ye bat commonly sun rakhi hai k jab eik aurat ki shadi hoti hai to us ko apne shohar se ziada fikar us k ghar walon ki hoti hai jo k buri bat nai lekin gharelo kamo ki aar ya majbori ko use karna aur shohar ki zaroorat ko nazar andaz karna darust hai? Secondly ye bhi dekha gaya hai k aksar nok jhonk k doran aurtein sex k batoor-e-hathyar use kartey huey merdon ki ana pe hamley karti hain aur aksar jumley intihai sharmanak bhi hotey hain. sorat-e-hal ya ghalti kisi ki bhi ho ap k khayal mein kia ye approach darust hai? Thirdly insan khas tor pe mard eik haal mein nai reh sakta wo apni biwi se quick sex ki bhi demand ker sakta hai aur aurat bhi shadi se pehley marey khaayl se ye bat janti hai.obviously us ki walida to usey guide karti hi hon gi (ap female psychology pe behtar roshni dal sakti hain) to kia jantey bojtey huey mehaz kamo ya thakawat ka uzar pesh ker k bar-uz-zima hua ja sakta hai?

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maza chhakhanay k lye agar rape kis jata hai yani other words badla lany k liye to aisa married couples k darmyan bhi ho sakta hai jahan chances aur bhi ziada hotey hain. to phir dono cases mein farq kia hua? (shar’ai ref se poch raha hon)

oper myrizvi ne kaha hai k islam me marital rape ka koi concept nai hai. Mujhay nahi pta k unho ne kis base pe kaha hai. Mere khyal se marital rape exist krta hai. Miya bivi k darmiyan bohat issues a ajate hai. Ap apne gird kisi b married couple ki zindagi dekh le. Aksar to shaded nafrat rkhte hai aik dosre se. lekin family ki wja se sath rhne pe majboor hote hain. Or hmari society me to admi ko ye sikhaya jata hai k koi tmhe kuch kahay to tmhare pas ye hathiyaar hai jis ka naam penis hai. Or admi bivi pe to is a khob hi istemaal krte hain. Bivi ki marzi ho na ho. Wo thaki hai ya fresh hai. Koi gharz naib s utari shalwar or shuru. Ya agr bivi se koi talkhkalami ho gai to phir to bakaida force k sath. Kuch maah pehle aik sahib ne to tv pe aik aorta ko kaha tha k me tmhari shalwar utar du ga. Yaha se ap mentality check kr le mashray ki.

To is sorat-e-hal mein rape kasy mumkin ho ga. Jesa k ap ny previous question k jawab mein kaha hai k male to male rape anal sex ho sakta. Or jahan tak by force ki ap ney bat ki to is ko bhi thora explain ker dain kyon k aurat k pas to penis type koi cheez nai hoti jis sey wo penetration karey.

Force kisi b chheez ki ho skti hai. Ap kisi office me ja k dekhe jaha head aorta ho. Admiyo ko dekha kre kese us aorta k agay peechhay madam madam kh k ghoom rhy the hai. Yehi admi ghr ja k apni bivi or betiyo pe hath bhi utha dete hai or office me boss k talway chaat rhy hote hai. To agr koi aorta aise strong ho status wise to wo q nai force kr skti? Zaror kr skti hai.

Jesa k eurpoe mein aisa bohat sunnaney mein a raha hai k wahan 2 women ya 2 men apas mein shadi ker laty hain to obviously wo isi tara se apni sexual needs pori karty hon gey but mera yahan eik sawal hai aur wo ye k ye eik gher fitarti relationship hai to eik gher fitarati relationship kasey mumkin hai? Kia aisey logon ko sakoon mil jata hai? Is ka khayal ana kisi nafsiyati problem ki waja sey hai? Matlab ye kia hai? Europe ki kuch countries mein to baqaida qanoon sazi ki gai hai is baray mein jab k dosri taraf wo log hum sey ziada talem yafta bhi hain. yeh sab batain bazahir samjh mein nai atin…

Ham jins parasti mere nazdeek dimaghi khalal hai. Baaz k nazdeek ye paidaishi feelings hoti hai. Lekin mjyy lgta hai k ye insaan ki soch ki wja se paida hoti haii. Or jin me ye feelings hti hai unhe apne jins k logo k sath satisfaction mil hi jati hai. Hm normal log hain. Hmain ajeeb lgta hai. Per un logo kk lye hmari sexual feelings ajeeb hoti hain. Bahir k mumalik me zindagi ko logo k lye asaan bna dia gya hai. Jo jo un k masail hain sb ko discuss kr k hal kia jata hai. Hmare aqaaaid un se mukhtaliif hain. Is base pe hm un pe laan taan nai kr skte. Wo kai jagho pe hum se behtar hain.

Yahan bhi eik sawal mary zehan mein hai k aisey cases mein jahan gang rape kia jata hai aur eik se ziada mard penetration kartey hain to aurat k andar kia complications nai ati hon gi. I mean to say k kia 2 mukhtalif mardon ka sperm aurat k egg ko fertilize ker sakta hai? Agar han to peda honey waley bachey pe is k kia asrat hon gey? Is case agar pregnancy ho jati hai to haml tehrana jaiz ho ga ya najaiz? Agar maan najaiz aulad peda na karna chahti ho to islam aur hamara qanoon is baray mein kia kehta hai? Ye bat bhi mashoor hai k ganda khoon apna asar dikhata hai aur aisa hum amooman dekhtey bhi hain to kia is qias pey najaiz aulad ko peda karna chahiye ya nai? Lastly rape k cases mein hamarey hospitals mein kia practice hai yani aisey patients ko kis tara deal kia jata hai (kyon k fori to pregnancy bhi shaid mumkin nai hoti aur patient bhi trauma mein hota hai)?

Is baray me mjy kuch ilm nai. Achay sawalat hai. Koi or senior guide kr skta hai

Ye bohat purani baat hai jab meri umar bohat kam thi but mein shaoor rakhta tha k eik bar mein bazar se guzar raha tha. Din ka waqt tha aur kafi rush tha. Usually bazaron mein rush ki waja bhi aurtein hoti hain. Is doran eik nojwan mujh se agey chalti hui larki k hips ko touch karta hua guzar gia. Us larki ney peechay mur k dekha magar wo aobash nojwan itni dair mein bheer mein ghum ho chukka tha. Mein ney jab pehli bar aisa live hote huey dekha to mujha bara ajeeb sa laga magar mujha bilkul samajh nai thi k ye sab kuch kia hai. Kafi disgusting feel hua agarche mein is amal mein sharrek na tha. Aj tak ye bat marey zehan mein bethi hui hai aur jab kabhi koi aisi bat ho to mujhay us waqey ki yad a jati hai aur mujhay nauseating feelings hoti hain. ye aj se koi 10, 12 sal purani bat hai aur aj kal ki khawateen is se waqif bhi hon gi jesa k ap ney openly is pey bat ki magar ye bhi dekhney mein ata hai k us dor k muqabley mein aj ziada beyhayai hai aur on the contrary aurtein utna hi ziada pardey aur libas k mamley mein casual hain. is ki kia waja hai? Secondly mein yahan kuch aur sawalat bhi pochna chahta hon aur being a female mujhay umeed hai k ap ziada achey tareekay se is bat ko explain ker sakti hain…

Aorto k hijab lene ko ap maashray me phelti behayai se nahi jor sktay. Allah ne quran me aorta ka parda farz krne se pehle mardo ko hukam dia hai k nazrain jhukao. Aorta k parday ko mard k parday se mashroot nahi kiyaa gya k aorta hijab kre to izat kro. Na kre to us ka rape kro. Yaha me is cheez ko support nai kr rhi k aorta ko hijab ka hukam nahi manna chahye. Islamme hijab ka hukam hai. Ladies ko krna chahye. Lekin mardo ko aorto k hijab ki aar me apne gunah nahi chupanay chahye.

Ap aik saada c misaal lijyee hum Pakistan me har jurm karte hain. Traffic signal tortay hain. Kora kahi bhi phenk dete hain. Rishwat dete bhi hain lete bhi hain. Lekin hum hi jb bahir k mumalik me jate hain to aise seedhay ho jate hai jese hm se ziada muhazzib koi nahi hai. To is se ye pta lgta hai k hmaray actions k peechay maashra bht ehem kirdaar adaa krta hai. Pakistan me aik do saal k larkay ko bhi pta hai k me bra taqatwar hu q k me lark ahu. Aik 20 saal ki larki ne agr ghr se bahir jana ho or uusay koi na mile to 3,4 saal k bchay ki ungli pakar k hi bahir chal parti hai. Ab logic dekhe to wo bcha us aorta ki kya hifazat kre gaa. Lekin aik masharti soch hai k mard hai. Yehi feeling mardo ko madmaash bna deti hain.

Teesri cheez hm ape hi ghar me itni cheezain dekhte hain k hmara zehan bchpan se sex k darmiyaan hi phasa rhta hai. Amoman joint family system hota hai. Married couples rhte hain ghr me. bchay unhe dekhte hain. Mjy mere aik janne wale ne btaya k jb hm chotay thy hmari chahci hmain kamray se fatafat nikaal deti thi k chalo chalo mene tmhare chacha ka sir dbana hai. Us k mutabiq us ki chichi achay kirdaar kin ahi hai k usay itni sex desire hti thi k bhari dpehar me bchay nikal bahir krti thi. Lekin shayed ho skta hai shoahr khta ho k bhejo inhe bahr. Khair is ko chorain. Hm aisi cheezain apne ird gird dekhte hain.

Jb kisi shadi ka moka aata hai us pe bray or khul jate hai. Dulha dulhan se khulay aam fahash Mazak kr rhy hote hain. Dulhan ko lambay nakhun pe khte hain k aray bhai dulhay ko lag jaye gy. Tm ne kaatay q nahi. Dulhay ko alag gur sikhaye jate hain k fail na hona. Ab ye sb bchay b dekh rhy the hai. Is sb se itni frustration barh jati hai k bray ho kar wo sarko pe nikaaltay hai. Mashra b dekh chuke the hai k acha flan ne fflan ko aise chera. Me b cher skta hu. Larki to kuch kah hi nahi skti.

1. Kaha jata hai k fashion karna aurat ki kamzori hai. Kia ap is bat se agree karti hain? in yes/no, why?

Obviously hr aorta khobsurat nazar ana chahti hai. Or aj kal khobsurti k miyaar me trendy hna shamil hai. To han fashion krna chahti hain ladies. Is me ghalat kuch nai hai. Lekin fashion according to culture hota hai or wese hi hona chahye.

2. Ap k nazdeek eik aurat k liye fashion ki kia limit honi chahiye?

It depend on her family and class. Ap middle class area me rhte ho or jeans t shirt pehn k uni k lye nikal jaye , uni pohanchne se pehle rape ho chukka hoga. Or me apni limits kisi pe thopna nahi chahti. Sb musalmaan hai. Uneh pta e hai k islaam kya limits lgata hai.

3. Ap k khayal mein kia (not in all cases) aurton ka dashion ker k bahar nikalna molestation ki waja ho sakti hai? Whether you agree or not You can explain if you wish…

No, ye me pehle hi explain kr chuki hu k aorta k parday ko mard apne gunah dhampnay ka zariya na bnaye.

4. Aj ki larkiyan molestation aur sexual acts ko ziada behtar janti hain (in my opinion due to education) lekin most of them don’t care about hajab and proper dressing…why?

Aj kal hijab or abaye wali bhi mahfooz nai hai. Ap survey krwa le jan jaye gy k burqay me ho larki ya burqay k bghair sb ko admi cherte hain. Abhi atif aslam ka concert dekh le. Aik manchalay ne aik pregnant aorta k pait me laaat maar di. Q k pregnancy ai taboo hai. Usay us aorta ka pait dekh k fantasy ho rhi hogi k kese pregnant krte hai larki. Jb hungama macha us ne moka dekh k laat mari or ghayeb. Ab aise me khawateen kya kre. jb urqay me b mahfooz nai hai tp us ka hal to ye hai k paida hi na hoo. Ab wo hmare hath me nai hai.

5. Ap ki opinion mein eik larki jo jeanz aur shirt pehan ker ja rahi hai ya in other case tang pajama pehney huey hai ya us ki qameez ka kaj aisa hai k azar band dikhai dey raha ho to kia ye aobash mardon k liye dawat-e-aam nai?

Obaash mardo k lye dhaki chupi larki b dawat e aam hai. Un ka ap kuch nai kr skte. Obaash mardo ne to 2 mah ki bchi ka b rape kia hai. Qabar se taaza dafnai gai aorta nikal kr us ka bhi rape kia hai

6. Kia aisi larki mentally in sab baton k liye tyar nai hoti ho gi k us k sath kia ho sakta hai? To kia ye nai kaha ja sakta k ye sab kam (not in all cases) eik khamosh aur mutual understanding k sath ho rahey hain? you can explain better?

Nai bilkul nai. Han kuch larkiyo ki khawhish hti hai k me saju or sbmur k dekhe lekin ye kbhi khawhish nai hti k koi mur k dekhe paas aye or mera boob daba kr chala jaye. Baaz larkiya apne lye sajti hai. Unhe acha lgta hai khud ko tyar krna or dekhnaa. Hmare mardo ko mature hne ki zarorat hai. Ulema ko ab mardo k parday ki bat krni chahye. Bht hogya larki ka parda.

7. Aj kal to sardiyan hain to sab ney hi sweater pehan rakhey hain Phir ye bhi eik common observation hai k garmyon mein halat aur ziada buray dikhai datey hain k jahan aurtein garmi ka jawaz pesh ker k aisa libas zeb-e-tan kar leti hain jis se k zer-e-jama libas nazar a raha hota hai aur aj kal to ye bhi dekhney mein aya hai k chon k her ghar mein behan bhai to hotey hi hain to ghar k in qareebi aur blood relations ki aar ley k to bilkul bhi parwa nai ki jati k hamara bhai hi to hai. Aisa shakhs ab apni behan k baray mein to bura nai sochey ga magar kia ghar se bahar us ki soch saaf reh paye gi? Murad kehney ki ye hai k agar dekha jaey to eik aurat hi us k jazbat dosri aurat k liye brangheta kerney ka sabab ban rahi hai (yahan mein jins-e-mukhalif ko hargiz leverage nai dey raha) ap ka is pey kia take hai? Jab k pardey k basic principles to same hain khawa aurat ghar se bahar ho ya andar…

Ye sb islam se doori hai. Hm ne aj kal islam se doori hai. Hm ne islam k chand asool apnaye hwe hai. Bakiyo ki bat nai krte. Hmare han shadi k bad amoman aik ya do kamre diye jate hai jo k 20,22 saal tk zair e istemaal rhte hain. Aik adh bathroom ht ahai jisay pora ghr istemaal krta hai. Waha sb aik dosre k agay nangay the hai. Mardo k underwear, aorto ki bra, shaving cream, sb khlay aam hta hai. Privacy naam ki cheez nai hoti hmare mashray me. hmain ye dekhna chaye k islam me privacy ka bht khyal hai. Larko or larkiyo k room alag kre, bathroom alag kre or un rooms ko no go area bna de opposite gender k lye. Larkay larkiyo k room me nai jaye gy. Na larkiya larko k room me jaye gi. Beshak safai hi q na krni ho. Kai muslim mumalik me larkay apne kapre khud dhotay hai. Sharam mehsos ki jati hai k un k kapre un k ghar ki khawateen dhoyee. Hm ne hi apna ghr behayai ka adda bnaya hwa hai.hmain ye sb khtm krna chahye

Ap ki batain kafi sense rakhti hain magar mein ney ye bat commonly sun rakhi hai k jab eik aurat ki shadi hoti hai to us ko apne shohar se ziada fikar us k ghar walon ki hoti hai jo k buri bat nai lekin gharelo kamo ki aar ya majbori ko use karna aur shohar ki zaroorat ko nazar andaz karna darust hai?

Yehi to hmare maashray ka almiya hai jis pe mjy bohat dukh hota hai. Yaha shadi ka mtlb hai k larkay ko aik larki ka hakim bnna hai, sex krna hai, bchay paida krne hain. For girl shadi ka mtlb ye hai k ap ne shohar ki hr khawhish pori krni hai, us ki hr cheez bghair kahay ready ho, susraal k dil me jaga bnani hai or jaga bnany ka aik hi tariqa hai un ki khidmat krna, apni sb khawhishat maykay chor k ani hai, dher sary kapre or zevar mile gy. Wo pehank tyar hna hai. Bchay paida krne hain.

In sb me aorta pe susral k sath taalukaat ko bht ehem smjha jata hai. Phir shohar shab b pehli raat aa k bivi ko yehi talkeen krte hain k dekho maa bap ki khidmat krna. Mere behan bhaiyo ki maasi ban jana. Wo or pressure me ati hai. Shohar na b kahay to baaz larkiyo ko yehi bra shok hta hai k haye ab meri shadi hogai dil khol k susraal me laru gi. To basic attention susral bn jata hai or shadi ka asal maksad bhool jati hai.

Secondly ye bhi dekha gaya hai k aksar nok jhonk k doran aurtein sex k batoor-e-hathyar use kartey huey merdon ki ana pe hamley karti hain aur aksar jumley intihai sharmanak bhi hotey hain. sorat-e-hal ya ghalti kisi ki bhi ho ap k khayal mein kia ye approach darust hai?

Sex hmare mashray me aik sharamnaak cheez hai. Bivi ka jitna b dil kr rha ho usay show krna hta hai k aye hayee ab me sex kru? Kya musibt hai. Wo interest show kre tb masla. Shohar khta hai k bra interest dikha rhi hai. Asal baat kya hai/ aisekai topics hai is forum pe k ji meri bivi first night bri pur josh thi wo virgin thi k nai? To aorto ko ye bhi problem hoti hai k zda desire dikhai to bad challan ka taana na par jayee. Aise me wo shohar pe baatain lga jati hain. Ye ghalat hai. Shohar ko b smjhna chahye k agr us k aik br khne pe bivi ready hai is ka mtlb ye nai k wo sex ki ri bhoki hai or pta nai kaha kaha mun marti rhi hai

Thirdly insan khas tor pe mard eik haal mein nai reh sakta wo apni biwi se quick sex ki bhi demand ker sakta hai aur aurat bhi shadi se pehley marey khaayl se ye bat janti hai.obviously us ki walida to usey guide karti hi hon gi (ap female psychology pe behtar roshni dal sakti hain) to kia jantey bojtey huey mehaz kamo ya thakawat ka uzar pesh ker k bar-uz-zima hua ja sakta hai?

Walida koi nai guide krti. Bht sharm mehsos ki jati hai. Beti se is baray me baat krte hwe. Bs smjha jata hai k automatically smjh jaye gi. Or han aorta waqai thaki ho to inkaar kr skti hai. Islam nai rokta. Lekin hmare ulema farishto ki laanat ka kh kh k daratay hai khawateen ko. Halan k us reference k mutabiq gar aorta waqai thaki ho to wo kh skti hai k dekho me bht thak gai hu. Me aj nai kr skti.

Lekin husband jesi sex chahta ho wesi krni chahye. Same husband ko bhi bivi ki pasnd k mutabiq sex krni chahye

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Posted on:25th Jan 2017, 1:52am
 

Sau baaton ki eik baat

We need to clean our mind. Stop watching porn. Men should change their thinking and start respecting women. Many men say that women provoke rape because of dressing but it's the mentality. Many women in burqa also get harassed and I have seen it. We need to change our mentality instead of blaming the clothing. We are very narrow minded and this is the reason why we still are abusive towards women.
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Posted on:26th Jan 2017, 2:13pm
 

@Activist

oper myrizvi ne kaha hai k islam me marital rape ka koi concept nai hai. Mujhay nahi pta k unho ne kis base pe kaha hai. Mere khyal se marital rape exist krta hai. Miya bivi k darmiyan bohat issues a ajate hai. Ap apne gird kisi b married couple ki zindagi dekh le. Aksar to shaded nafrat rkhte hai aik dosre se. lekin family ki wja se sath rhne pe majboor hote hain. Or hmari society me to admi ko ye sikhaya jata hai k koi tmhe kuch kahay to tmhare pas ye hathiyaar hai jis ka naam penis hai. Or admi bivi pe to is a khob hi istemaal krte hain. Bivi ki marzi ho na ho. Wo thaki hai ya fresh hai. Koi gharz naib s utari shalwar or shuru. Ya agr bivi se koi talkhkalami ho gai to phir to bakaida force k sath. Kuch maah pehle aik sahib ne to tv pe aik aorta ko kaha tha k me tmhari shalwar utar du ga. Yaha se ap mentality check kr le mashray ki.

Kisi had tak “penis” se mutaliq ap ki baat darust bhi hai lekin yahan mein kuch baton ka izafa karna chahta hon. Is mein koi shak nai k hamarey muashrey mein ziada tar maroof galian jinsi a’za k sath munalik hain magar aisa bhi nai k jo shakh zubani gunah ka irtakab karta ho wo practically bhi aisa hi karay. Hamari society mein maan aur behan ki takreem ki jati hai aur isi waja se mujha lagta hai k kisi shakhs ko takleef, zehani aziat, pain ya jo bhi nam ley lain, daney k liye maa behan ki galiyan di jati hain. daney wala bhi ye bat bohat achi tara janta hai k wo aisa nai ker sakta jesa k wo bol raha hai magar phir bhi mukhalif ki izzat-o-ana pe hamla Kareny k liye aisa kia jata hai aur interestingly road side jhagron mein to koi kisi ki maa behan ko janana to darknar dekha tak nai hota.

Secondly, jis tara ap ney kaha k hamari society mein sex feelings ko acha khayal nai kiya jata yahan tak k aisi mentality eik mard aur aurat mein shadi k bad bhi barqrar rehti hai. Eik cheez jo k insan ki fitrat mein hai hamari societ usey abusive bna k pesh karti hai. Aur biwi janey anjaney mein society k in nazriyat ko barhaney ka sabab ban jati hai. Ab eik khawand aur biwi k darmyan routinely sex hota hai to agar yeh itna hi bura kam hai to mumkin tha k shadi k bad bhi islam mein allow na hota magar aisa nai hai balkey mubah hai to aisey amal ko bhi laraiyon k darmyan abusively use karna hamari overall psychology ko explain karta hai. Ab agar larai k doran koi aisi baat karta bhi hai to ye darasal hamarey hi muashrey ka set kia hua painful standard hai. Aur ap manein ya na manein, meri observation mein aurtein apney khawand ko target karney k liye aur dil ki bharas nikalney k liye aisi abuses ka sahara leti hain.

Thirdly, agar aj se 20, 30 saal ya kuch aur peechay chaley jain to kisi ghar mein 8,8 ya 10,10 bachey hona eik mamol ki baat thi to bila shuba ye baat samjh mein asani se ajati hai k mard ney biwi pe penis ka khob istamal kia hai magar aj k is commercial dor mein jahan mard ko kamaney se fursat nai aur aurat 2 se ziada bachey peda nai karna chahti wahan (mein yahan thora sa ap se disagree karon ga. May be ap is bat ko aur elaborate ker sakain to give me some thought) shohar ka apni biwi pe bey tahasha penis ka istamal karna mubaligha amaiz dikhai deta hai. Ye baat bhi jinsi abuses ki tara ziada prevail ker gai hai wagarna jitna aj ki aurat apne shohar pe marzi chalati hai ya hukmarani karti hai aisa tasawar maazi mein nai tha. Yeh bhi eik takleef deh baat hai k aurat (biwi) mard k dil se ziada us k zehan mein sawar rehna chahti hai (apni observation k roshni mein baat ker raha hon jo mein ney dekha aur suna.ap disagree karney ka haq rakhti hain)…

Force kisi b chheez ki ho skti hai. Ap kisi office me ja k dekhe jaha head aorta ho. Admiyo ko dekha kre kese us aorta k agay peechhay madam madam kh k ghoom rhy the hai. Yehi admi ghr ja k apni bivi or betiyo pe hath bhi utha dete hai or office me boss k talway chaat rhy hote hai. To agr koi aorta aise strong ho status wise to wo q nai force kr skti? Zaror kr skti hai.

Agar aisi aurat force use karti hai to is ki sorat-e-hal kia ho gi? For example rape cases mein mard aurat pey force k zariye penetration kartey hain. rapist ki intention clear hoti hain k us ney her haal mein penetration karni hoti hai magar aurat aisa nahi ker sakti. Phir agar wo kisi mard ko majbor bhi karti hai apni position ki waja se to ye lazmi to nai k jo majbori mein aisa karna chahta ho (yani wo byforce to kisi k penis ko sex k qabil nai bana sakti) wo penetration k qabil bhi ho?

Ham jins parasti mere nazdeek dimaghi khalal hai. Baaz k nazdeek ye paidaishi feelings hoti hai. Lekin mjyy lgta hai k ye insaan ki soch ki wja se paida hoti haii. Or jin me ye feelings hti hai unhe apne jins k logo k sath satisfaction mil hi jati hai. Hm normal log hain. Hmain ajeeb lgta hai. Per un logo kk lye hmari sexual feelings ajeeb hoti hain. Bahir k mumalik me zindagi ko logo k lye asaan bna dia gya hai. Jo jo un k masail hain sb ko discuss kr k hal kia jata hai. Hmare aqaaaid un se mukhtaliif hain. Is base pe hm un pe laan taan nai kr skte. Wo kai jagho pe hum se behtar hain.

Yehi mera bunyadi sawal tha k jahan life itni asan bana di gai ho aur itna ilam ho k log ilam ki khatir in mamalik ka rukh kartey hon wahan pe ilam-o-aqal k baraks eik qanoon sazi ho jaey, ajeeb baat nai. Phir qanoon sazi k liye ap ko sada aksirat chahiye hoti hai to sirf eik do hi nai pora society ki eik kaseer tadad is bad fae’li mein involve ho mery khayal mein dimaghi khalal se ziada fitrat se baghawat hai…is sada se asool k liye to ap ko kisi religious interpretation ki bhi zarrorat nai hai…

Yahan bhi eik sawal mary zehan mein hai k aisey cases mein jahan gang rape kia jata hai aur eik se ziada mard penetration kartey hain to aurat k andar kia complications nai ati hon gi. I mean to say k kia 2 mukhtalif mardon ka sperm aurat k egg ko fertilize ker sakta hai? Agar han to peda honey waley bachey pe is k kia asrat hon gey? Is case agar pregnancy ho jati hai to haml tehrana jaiz ho ga ya najaiz? Agar maan najaiz aulad peda na karna chahti ho to islam aur hamara qanoon is baray mein kia kehta hai? Ye bat bhi mashoor hai k ganda khoon apna asar dikhata hai aur aisa hum amooman dekhtey bhi hain to kia is qias pey najaiz aulad ko peda karna chahiye ya nai? Lastly rape k cases mein hamarey hospitals mein kia practice hai yani aisey patients ko kis tara deal kia jata hai (kyon k fori to pregnancy bhi shaid mumkin nai hoti aur patient bhi trauma mein hota hai)?

Is baray me mjy kuch ilm nai. Achay sawalat hai. Koi or senior guide kr skta hai

Ye sawalat mein man-o-an senior members ki khidmat mein pedh karta hon…

Aorto k hijab lene ko ap maashray me phelti behayai se nahi jor sktay. Allah ne quran me aorta ka parda farz krne se pehle mardo ko hukam dia hai k nazrain jhukao. Aorta k parday ko mard k parday se mashroot nahi kiyaa gya k aorta hijab kre to izat kro. Na kre to us ka rape kro. Yaha me is cheez ko support nai kr rhi k aorta ko hijab ka hukam nahi manna chahye. Islamme hijab ka hukam hai. Ladies ko krna chahye. Lekin mardo ko aorto k hijab ki aar me apne gunah nahi chupanay chahye.

Ap aik saada c misaal lijyee hum Pakistan me har jurm karte hain. Traffic signal tortay hain. Kora kahi bhi phenk dete hain. Rishwat dete bhi hain lete bhi hain. Lekin hum hi jb bahir k mumalik me jate hain to aise seedhay ho jate hai jese hm se ziada muhazzib koi nahi hai. To is se ye pta lgta hai k hmaray actions k peechay maashra bht ehem kirdaar adaa krta hai. Pakistan me aik do saal k larkay ko bhi pta hai k me bra taqatwar hu q k me lark ahu. Aik 20 saal ki larki ne agr ghr se bahir jana ho or uusay koi na mile to 3,4 saal k bchay ki ungli pakar k hi bahir chal parti hai. Ab logic dekhe to wo bcha us aorta ki kya hifazat kre gaa. Lekin aik masharti soch hai k mard hai. Yehi feeling mardo ko madmaash bna deti hain.

Ap ki tamam batain logical hain. yahan mein kuch apni batain bhi rakhna chahta hon jo dosrey school of thought se hain chon k in aur degar mozoat pey aksar kuch behtar ilam rakhney walon se bhi baat hoti rehti hai. Is mein koi shak nahi k pardey ki aar mein mardon ko apney gunah nai chupaney chahiyen. Mein ye samjhta hon k agar eik larki bey-hijab ya qabil-e-aitraz libas pehan k ghar se bahar ja rahi hai to sab se ziada baray gunah gar us k waldain hain (khas ker k baap) k jin ki iradi ya gher iradi marzi k baghair aisa mumkin nai. Phir hamarey muashrey mein jis tara hilal-o-haram ki tameez mit chuki hai to us k bhi asrat kafi nymayan nazar atey hain k mard ki ankh mein sharam na rahi aur aurat ka libas haya se aari ho gya.

Phir yahan eik aur baat marey ilam mein ai jis ko shaid mein examples se wazeh ker sakon. Jesa k chorian hoti hain, dukano k locks torey jatey hain magar phir bhi hum ghar ko kundi aur dukan ko tala lagaey bina nai sotey. puraney waqton mein jb fridge nai hua kartey they to mujha aj bhi yaad hai k meri naani ka jb machli farai karney ka irada hota tha to wo eik din pehly usey masala laga k aur bartan achi tara dhanp k oonchi jaga jahan billi panja na mar sakey rakh dia karti thin. Isi tara cheeni ko choontiyon se bachaney k liye eik bartan mein thora sa pani dal k sugar box ko rakha jata tha takey wo mehfooz rahey. Isi tara fitrat k jitney muzahirey khawa wo phal hon sabzian hon nabatat johrat hon ko ALLAH ney pardey mein chupaya hai. Hamarey mazhab ney aurat ko jo mansab ata kia hai wo usey intehai qeemti bana deta hai isi liye usey pardey k peechay chupaya hai aur aj ki aurat usi pardey se ilan-e-baghawat kiye huey hai.

Eik baat burqa k hawaley se bhi ki jati hai k aurat us mein bhi mehfooz nai. Yahan bhi eik interesting baat marey ilam main ai k aj kal jo burqa use kia ja raha hai wo to bazat-e-khud burqa k nam pey burqa ki toheen hai. Ap imagine krain k eik aurat jis mein naswani husn ki kami ho k jisey aam halat mein bhi koi mard na dekhey wo burqa ki aar mein jazib-e-nigah ban jati hai. Phir burqa ki aar mein aksar khawateen ankhon ki zebaish ka bharpor ehtamam karti hain k ab bazahir burqa k bad yehi eik qabil-e-zaibaish chez bachti hai. (yani raazi rahey rehman bhi aur kuhsuh rahey shetan bhi)Phir eik cheez jis ka asal maksad parda karna hai is qadr araish-o-zaibaish se tayar kia jata hai k utna to aksar pehna hua libas nahi hota. Eik maroof hadis hai k amal ka daromadar niyyaton pe hai to jab eik amal kartey huey niyyat mein ikhlas ki hi kami ho to phir anjam-e-kar kia hona chiahiye? Yahan mein hargiz aubash mardon ko leverage nai dey raha magar jo khawateen ye shikwa karti hain k hamein burqa bhi panah nai dey raha to un ko un pehloon pe bhi ghor karna chahiye jo k oper bayan kiye ja chukey hain.

Bilfarz 100 aurtein hijab pehanti hain to 100 mein sey 50 mard to wasey hi peechay ho jain gey aur baki 50 k liye bhi kuch rukawat ho gai. Ab koi ghalat harkat karna bhi chahey ga to usey wesi opportunity nahi mil paye gi jo k usey eik bey hijab aurat ki sorat mein muyasir thi. Agar dekha jaey to probability ghat jati hai bilkul aisey hi jesy hum apney ghar k darwazey band ker k sotey hain magar kabhi chori ho bhi jati hai to hum ye nai kehtey k ghar ka gate kharab hai kyon k ye wohi gate hai jo 20siyon salon se ap k ghar ko bachaye huey tha magar ye k chor niyat shatir tha. Isi tara burqa eik rukawat hai aubash mardon aur ap ki izzat k darmyan. Ab agar ye rukawat bhi utar phenki jaey to phir gila kesa? Ya isey rukawat ki bajaey tazeen-o-araish ker k mazeed bharka dia jaey to burqa ka maqsad kia reh gia? Aj se koi 2,3 mah pehley eik maroof fashion desiner (jo k trendy aur jaded fashions malbosat k liye mashor hain) ney aisey hi dresses ki tash’heer ki thi k jo bazahir Islamic dress code k mutabiq magar haqeeqat mein intihai jazib-e-nigah they yani eye catching to phir jab eik libas pardey k nam pey ankhon ko khench raha ho to wo parda kasey kehlaye ga. Niqab ya burqa ko Parda mein laney k baqaida asool-o-zawabit mojod hain (myrizvi bhai is pe ziada roshni dal saktey hain). ab jo in asool-o-zawabit ko follow kartey huey parda karey ga parda wohi kehlaye ga wagarna wo parda nai shetan ka dhoka hai jis ney hamarey zehan mein ye ghalat fehmi peda ker di hai k hum ney parda kia hua hai.

Ye common observation ki baat hai k jo niyat aur ikhlas se ALLAH k liye koi amal karta hai to us ka sathi bhi ALLAH hi hota hai aur jis ka sathi ALLAH ho us k agey shetan kahan tikney wala hai. Marey khayal se is mein un tamam khawateen k sochney k liye bhi kafi mawad hai jo pardey k asal maksad aur mafhom se la ilam hain aur is ko eik piece of fabric ya hum is mein bhi mehfoz nai jesy excuses ki aar mein ignore kerti hain.

Ye sab batain mujhay discussion k doran malom huin aur mujhay logical lagin to socha k share ker don…whether you are agreed or not ap tabsra ya apni raye ka izhar ker sakti hain…

Phir ap ney eik aur baat ki jis ko mein ap ki convienience k liye quote karta chalon “Aik 20 saal ki larki ne agr ghr se bahir jana ho or uusay koi na mile to 3,4 saal k bchay ki ungli pakar k hi bahir chal parti hai. Ab logic dekhe to wo bcha us aorta ki kya hifazat kre gaa..Lekin aik masharti soch hai k mard hai. Yehi feeling mardo ko madmaash bna deti hain.”

Eik school of thought ap ney bayan kia hai jis se ikhtalaf nahi kia ja sakta lekin akhri jumley pe mein kuch likhna chahta hon. Acha eik school of thought is havaley se mary pas bhi hai. Ziadta tar larkiyan 15,16 saal ki umar mein jawan ho jati hain aur hamarey dehat jahan kam umri mein shadiyan ker di jati hain ye ain mumkin hai k ye 20 saal ki larki us 3,4 saal bachey ki maa ho. Hamari society married person ko mature samjhati hai aur marey khyal mein aisa hai bhi. Kyon k jab tak insan mamlat-o-zimma dariyon ki girift mein na aye wo mature ho bhi kasey sakta hai? Psychologically duniya ko ye bar’awar karana k wo eik bachey ki maa hai aur shohar ki sorat mein eik kafeel rakhti hai. Ye soch usey eik sense of security bhi provide ker rahi hai jo k usey shohar ya bachey k na honey ki sorat mein na hoti, koi aam baat nai. Ye aurat k apney fitarti ehsasat-o-jazbat hain k wo apney khawand pey depend ker rahi hai sirf is liye nai k wo usey roti mohayya karney ka sabab hai balkey is liye k wo us ki izzat ka muhafiz bhi hai. (Ye baat to quran-o-ahadees se bhi sabit hai.) Aur ye eik natural soch hai jo kisi ney aurat k andar peda nai ki. Is ko masharti soch se jorna is not totally true at all IMHO.

Ye batain mujhay apni eik relative khatoon jo married hain se malom huin. Mujhay ap ki baat se hat ker is mein eik aur pehlo dikhai dia jo k ab ap k samney hai…ap is pe bhi izhar-e-raye ker sakti hain…

Teesri cheez hm ape hi ghar me itni cheezain dekhte hain k hmara zehan bchpan se sex k darmiyaan hi phasa rhta hai. Amoman joint family system hota hai. Married couples rhte hain ghr me. bchay unhe dekhte hain. Mjy mere aik janne wale ne btaya k jb hm chotay thy hmari chahci hmain kamray se fatafat nikaal deti thi k chalo chalo mene tmhare chacha ka sir dbana hai. Us k mutabiq us ki chichi achay kirdaar kin ahi hai k usay itni sex desire hti thi k bhari dpehar me bchay nikal bahir krti thi. Lekin shayed ho skta hai shoahr khta ho k bhejo inhe bahr. Khair is ko chorain. Hm aisi cheezain apne ird gird dekhte hain.

Jb kisi shadi ka moka aata hai us pe bray or khul jate hai. Dulha dulhan se khulay aam fahash Mazak kr rhy hote hain. Dulhan ko lambay nakhun pe khte hain k aray bhai dulhay ko lag jaye gy. Tm ne kaatay q nahi. Dulhay ko alag gur sikhaye jate hain k fail na hona. Ab ye sb bchay b dekh rhy the hai. Is sb se itni frustration barh jati hai k bray ho kar wo sarko pe nikaaltay hai. Mashra b dekh chuke the hai k acha flan ne fflan ko aise chera. Me b cher skta hu. Larki to kuch kah hi nahi skti.

Abhi recently mujha eik dawat-e-walima pey janey ka ittefaq hua jo k dawat-e-walima kam aur photo shot ziada tha. Dulhan se proper modeling karai gai aur wo bhi us k shohar k sath. Camera men apni taraf se hidayat datey nazar aye maslan dulhan ko kaha jar aha hai k choriyan dikhain, dupatta hatain, is andaz se bethain aisey bethain wasey bethain etc etc. baat yahan khatam nai ho jati. Masla ye hai k ye sab kam bahmi raza mandi se kiye jatey hain jis mein larki aur larkey k khndan dono ki marzi shamil hoti hai. Agar eik bhi fareeq ba-ehsan tareekay se inkaar ker dey to kia ye khrafat hon? Darasal hum khrafat karney aur karwaney ka zariya bhi khud hain. hum khud aisa mahol creat ker datey hain k gunah k mawaqy peda hon. Ye eik natural phenomena hai k ap jesay mahol mein rahen gey ap pey wesa hi asar ho ga. Kisi ko theek karna hai to usey acha mahol dain wo theek ho jaey ga and vice versa. Mein smjhta hon k rishta tay kartey huey ye baat malom ho hi jati hai k agla insan islami zehan rakhta hai ya nai. Agar hamari preference deen dari ho to bohat se masail to wasey hi khatam ho jatey hain.

It depend on her family and class. Ap middle class area me rhte ho or jeans t shirt pehn k uni k lye nikal jaye , uni pohanchne se pehle rape ho chukka hoga. Or me apni limits kisi pe thopna nahi chahti. Sb musalmaan hai. Uneh pta e hai k islaam kya limits lgata hai.

Ye point abhi debatable rahey ga kyon k trends ko follow kartey huey hi tang pajamey, hips tak pohncha hua kaj, jeanz ya t-shirt, yahan tak k patey bal…sawal ye bhi hai k agar fashion aurat ki kamzori hai bhi to kitna kerna chahiye aur kitni limit mein aur kesy k jo islamai haddod pamal na karta ho. Dosra ye baat bhi notable hai k fashion to ghar mein bhi kia ja sakta hai aur marey ilam mein islamically mana bhi nai (mehram rishta daron ki waja se) to fashion ker k bahar nikalna kia khud numai nai k (ab ker to lia hai koi dekhney wala bhi to ho)?

Aj kal hijab or abaye wali bhi mahfooz nai hai. Ap survey krwa le jan jaye gy k burqay me ho larki ya burqay k bghair sb ko admi cherte hain. Abhi atif aslam ka concert dekh le. Aik manchalay ne aik pregnant aorta k pait me laaat maar di. Q k pregnancy ai taboo hai. Usay us aorta ka pait dekh k fantasy ho rhi hogi k kese pregnant krte hai larki. Jb hungama macha us ne moka dekh k laat mari or ghayeb. Ab aise me khawateen kya kre. jb urqay me b mahfooz nai hai tp us ka hal to ye hai k paida hi na hoo. Ab wo hmare hath me nai hai.

Ab ye eik alag behas hai k aisi aurat ka concert mein kia kam. Kuch ahadees (is pey bhi myrizvi bhai behtar roshni dal saktey hain) se ye malom hota hai k aurat k 9 mah ka hamal koi passive procedure nai ha balkey jab bachey mein ALLAH ka izan dal dia jata hai yani rooh phonk di jati hai to ab wo maa k tamam asrat khawa wo innate (genetic) hon ya acquired lena shroo ker deta hai. Jab maa is hal mein ganey sun rahi ho gi k jis halat mein usey kasrat se sadqa karna chahiye wo paisey concert mein zaya ho rahey hon, k jis zuban ko usey kasrat se darood-o-kalam-pak aur namaz ka ehtamam karna chahiye wo ganey bajaney aur sunnaney mein lagey hon (yahan mein us larkey ki harkat ko justify nai ker raha) to honey wali aulad pe kia asarat hon gay? Jab maa lughwiyat aur gunah mein lagi ho aur us ki apni kirdar sazi na ho to aisa bachay ki kia khak kirdar sazi ho gi k jis ki pehli darsgah us ki maa ki goud hai. Jab maain muashrey ko aisi aulad dein gi to un mein sey thora hi koi M.Bin qasim ya imam ghazali peda hon gey. Ye hamarey liye bhi lamha-e-fikriya hai….

Obaash mardo k lye dhaki chupi larki b dawat e aam hai. Un ka ap kuch nai kr skte. Obaash mardo ne to 2 mah ki bchi ka b rape kia hai. Qabar se taaza dafnai gai aorta nikal kr us ka bhi rape kia hai

is k pechay asal haqeeqatkia hai mujhay nai pata. Is per meri maloomat mehdood hain behar hal apka point valid hai. Hamara media, media nai mafia hai jo ratings k chakar mein zard sahafat se bhi baz nai ata…haqaiq ko tor maroor k pesh karna is k baain hath ka khel hai. Ab aisey mahol se sach nikalna lafzon mein to asaan lekin in reality bohat mushkil hai. Yahan per to kuch saal qabl isb se adam khor, Sialkot se burda farosh bhi pakrey gaye hain magar kia koi aj unhin janta hai? Media ney jitni rating kamani thi kama li aur aisey bohat se issues aur bhi hain. ye to sara charab zubani ka kamal hai k kisi ko chaho to burda farosh bana do, chaho to rapist chaho to smuggler etc etc sach kia hai kisi ko nai pata? jahan filmi adakar, aur mazahiya dramey karney waley sahafi baney hon wahan per quality of journalism ka ap khud andaza laga lain. Yahan to jis k pas jo hai wo baich raha hai…

Nai bilkul nai. Han kuch larkiyo ki khawhish hti hai k me saju or sbmur k dekhe lekin ye kbhi khawhish nai hti k koi mur k dekhe paas aye or mera boob daba kr chala jaye. Baaz larkiya apne lye sajti hai. Unhe acha lgta hai khud ko tyar krna or dekhnaa. Hmare mardo ko mature hne ki zarorat hai. Ulema ko ab mardo k parday ki bat krni chahye. Bht hogya larki ka parda.

Apney liye sajna bura nahi hai magar is zeenat ko bill boards ya bazaron ki ronaq bana dena bhi to shar;iat k hukam k munafi hai. Ye cheez ALLAH ney aurat mein dal k us ki azmaish rakh di hai wagarna to us k liye shar’a ney asani hi asani rakhi thi. Usey ghar ki malka bana k tamam beroni zimma dariyon se azad ker dia hai aur ye sara bojh mard k kandhey pey daal dia. Ab is se ziada kia asani ho sakti hai ya koi aurat se ley sakta hai jo khud khaliq-e-kainat ney aurat ko dey rakhi hai magar ifsos ki baat ye hai k aurat isey asani nai ghulami samjh bethi hai. Yahan masla phir khud numai ka nazar ata hai k acha jora to pehan lia hai make up bhi ker lia hai ab koi dekhney wala bhi to ho. Koi tareef bhi to karay. Ab yahin se shetan aurat k sar pe sawar hota hai wagarna us se pehley to shar’iat aurat pe pabandi nai lagati balkey isey aurat ka jaiz haq gardanti hai. Phir khud numai mein bhi kai rohani aur ikhlaqi bemariyan chupi hain jin pey meri myrizvi bhai se request hai k wo roshni dalain.

Ab aurat ghar se bahar nikley gi to ye to mumkin nai k wo fashion na karay. Ab ap aalmi sarmaya daron ka shetani zehan dakhain k aurat ko incentives dey k bahar nikala gia aur sath ye naara lagaya gia k jis mulak ki adhi abadi ghar bethi ho wo khak taaqi karay ga. Phir duniya k jitney second/third grade kam they wo in k havaley ker diye. Wohi europi muashra jis ko hum idealize karety hain wahan aurat k sath jo salook ho raha hai wo to azhar-o-min as shams hai. Siwaye chand misalon k wahan pey aksiriyat aurtein bars mein waitress aur receptions pey khara hua brand hain. aur sath hi munafqat ki had mulahiza karain k yahan clerk ki job k liye m-phil/phd hazrat line mein kharey hain. bhai pehley in zaroorat mandon ko to kam pey rakh lo jinho ney ghar chalana hai, family ki zimma dari uthani hai. Us k bad agar kuch jobs bachain to aurton ka socho.Aurat to bechari maan baney to wo eik derh saal k liye system se out ho jati hai aur bohat se cases mein to usey job chorni par jati hai. Ye us ki tab’i kamzori bhi hai. Mein khud profeesional job karta hon aur is baat ko tajarbey ki roshni mein bayan ker raha hon… saaf dikhai dey raha hai k aurat ko baghi bana k usey na deen ka rehney dia gia na duniya ka…

Baat phir wohi hai k is case se hat k dekhein to jab aurat fashion ker k bahar a hi gai to us ney ALLAH k hukam ko apni zid/khudnumai/zaroorat job hi nam dey dain se kam jana k agar wo ALLAH k hukam ko janti to shaid ye nobat hi na ati k mashoor hai k makhyan wahin jati hai jahan shehad hota hai. To jab ap usey sehan mein khula chor dain gey to makhiyan usey khaney k qabil nai chorein gi. Ab shikwa karna beja hai k ghalti to pehley ap ney ker di ALLAH ka hukam tor k to ab jab shetan kisi aubash ki sirat mein ap ko cheray ga to ye bhi indirectly ALLAH ki narazgi ka izhar hi to hai. (mein phir wazeh karta chalon k mein aisey aubashon ko riyaet nai dey raha balkey ye ALLAH ka takweeni nizam hai wo kisi aur tara k azab mein aye ga). Ap ney hukam torney mein pehal ki to azab mein bhi pehal ap se ho gi aur ap k bad us bandey pey jis ney bad fai’li ki ho gi k jis ki waja ap bani. Is tara ki eik hadis bhi jo myrizvi bhai ko pata ho gi k eik aurat kai mardon ko jahanum mein ley janey ka zariya baney gi. Mein chahon ga k wo hi is pe tafseel roshni Dalian.

Ye sb islam se doori hai. Hm ne aj kal islam se doori hai. Hm ne islam k chand asool apnaye hwe hai. Bakiyo ki bat nai krte. Hmare han shadi k bad amoman aik ya do kamre diye jate hai jo k 20,22 saal tk zair e istemaal rhte hain. Aik adh bathroom ht ahai jisay pora ghr istemaal krta hai. Waha sb aik dosre k agay nangay the hai. Mardo k underwear, aorto ki bra, shaving cream, sb khlay aam hta hai. Privacy naam ki cheez nai hoti hmare mashray me. hmain ye dekhna chaye k islam me privacy ka bht khyal hai. Larko or larkiyo k room alag kre, bathroom alag kre or un rooms ko no go area bna de opposite gender k lye. Larkay larkiyo k room me nai jaye gy. Na larkiya larko k room me jaye gi. Beshak safai hi q na krni ho. Kai muslim mumalik me larkay apne kapre khud dhotay hai. Sharam mehsos ki jati hai k un k kapre un k ghar ki khawateen dhoyee. Hm ne hi apna ghr behayai ka adda bnaya hwa hai.hmain ye sb khtm krna chahye

Ap ki batain logical hain. bathrooms se hat k bhi agr bat ki jaey to aksar gharon mein ye dekha gya hai k aurten aam kapron ki hi tara bra/panties ko tar pe khush karney k liye dal deti hain. ho sakta hai k zehan mein yehi ho k jald sookh jain gey magar ghar mein degar bachey bhi hotey hain, achanak mehman ya mard k khas dost milney a jatey hain. ab ghar k in mamlat pe aksar mardon ki bhi nigah nai hoti to kai martaba eik nihayat embarrassing situation ban jati hai balkey ghar k andar larai jhagrey ki nobat bhi a jati hai. Ab ye bhi shaid purani batain ho gai hon aj kal kia hai pata nai. Ab baat ye hai k in sab maslon ka hal kia hai?

Yehi to hmare maashray ka almiya hai jis pe mjy bohat dukh hota hai. Yaha shadi ka mtlb hai k larkay ko aik larki ka hakim bnna hai, sex krna hai, bchay paida krne hain. For girl shadi ka mtlb ye hai k ap ne shohar ki hr khawhish pori krni hai, us ki hr cheez bghair kahay ready ho, susraal k dil me jaga bnani hai or jaga bnany ka aik hi tariqa hai un ki khidmat krna, apni sb khawhishat maykay chor k ani hai, dher sary kapre or zevar mile gy. Wo pehank tyar hna hai. Bchay paida krne hain.

In sb me aorta pe susral k sath taalukaat ko bht ehem smjha jata hai. Phir shohar shab b pehli raat aa k bivi ko yehi talkeen krte hain k dekho maa bap ki khidmat krna. Mere behan bhaiyo ki maasi ban jana. Wo or pressure me ati hai. Shohar na b kahay to baaz larkiyo ko yehi bra shok hta hai k haye ab meri shadi hogai dil khol k susraal me laru gi. To basic attention susral bn jata hai or shadi ka asal maksad bhool jati hai.

Aap ki tamam batain darust hain. yahan pey eik aur interesting baat marey ilam mein ai jo mein share karta jata hon. Balkey is waqat ye bat hamari socity ka hot topic bhi bani hui hai. Aisey gharaney jahan saas ya susar dono wafat pachukey they ya nandon, dewrani ya jhetani ka bhi bojh na honey k brabar tha ya aisey cases jis mein saas/susar to zinda hain per beta apni biwi ko eik alag ghar mein rakhta hai yani aisa mahol jahan susral ki khap nai wahan bhi kai interesting waqiat huey. Shohar ki gher mojodgi ka aisa faida uthaya gia k jis ko yahan bayan nai kia ja sakta aur kai eik waqiat mein reported murder cases ho chukey hain. wo bhi eik inteha hai aur ye bhi eik inteha hai to ab ap susral ko kaisey accuse karain gi…jab ap eik system mein rehtey jatey hain to kafi behtri bhi ati jati hai. Ab system rahey ga to behtri ki bhi umeed hai. Jab system hi khatam ker dain gey to behtri to wasey hi anqa ho jaey gi. System k andar rahen gey to learning ho gi. Kia aj tak ghar bethey koi doctor/engineer ban paya hai? Susral bhi eik system hai jis mein kamzorian ho sakti hain. choti moti problems pey issue banana bhi koi achi baat nai kyon k koi maan hargiz ye nai chahti k jis umar mein usey apney batey ki zaroorat hai usey chor jaey. Ab wo apney batey ko to kuch nai kahey gi magar waja bannaney wali biwi ko nai chorey gi. Ab is mein bardasht aur aitedal ka hona bohat zaroorai hai. K biwi bardasht se kam ley aur saas eitdal se. but aisa shazir-ronazir hi hota hai.

abhi haal hi mein boxer amir khan ka case samney aya jahan susral se jhagrey ki waja se temporary alehdgi ho gai magar jo media report ker raha hai qata-e-nazar k kon sahi hai kon ghalat agr ap amir khan ki biwi ka zahiri huliya hi dekh lain to wo un key khayalat/nazriyat ki ki bharpor akkasi karta hua nazar ata hai. Jesa k muhavra hai k libas ap ki shakhsiat ka aina dar hai to unkey libas ki trash khrash se unki shakhsiat ka kafi andaza ho jata hai…

baki mein ap ki baton se mutafiq hon k shohar ko biwi pe apney walidain ya behan bhaiyon ki khidmat k liye zor nai dalna chahiye…ye shohar ki zimma dari hai biwi ki nai…

Sex hmare mashray me aik sharamnaak cheez hai. Bivi ka jitna b dil kr rha ho usay show krna hta hai k aye hayee ab me sex kru? Kya musibt hai. Wo interest show kre tb masla. Shohar khta hai k bra interest dikha rhi hai. Asal baat kya hai/ aisekai topics hai is forum pe k ji meri bivi first night bri pur josh thi wo virgin thi k nai? To aorto ko ye bhi problem hoti hai k zda desire dikhai to bad challan ka taana na par jayee. Aise me wo shohar pe baatain lga jati hain. Ye ghalat hai. Shohar ko b smjhna chahye k agr us k aik br khne pe bivi ready hai is ka mtlb ye nai k wo sex ki ri bhoki hai or pta nai kaha kaha mun marti rhi hai

Thirdly insan khas tor pe mard eik haal mein nai reh sakta wo apni biwi se quick sex ki bhi demand ker sakta hai aur aurat bhi shadi se pehley marey khaayl se ye bat janti hai.obviously us ki walida to usey guide karti hi hon gi (ap female psychology pe behtar roshni dal sakti hain) to kia jantey bojtey huey mehaz kamo ya thakawat ka uzar pesh ker k bar-uz-zima hua ja sakta hai?

Walida koi nai guide krti. Bht sharm mehsos ki jati hai. Beti se is baray me baat krte hwe. Bs smjha jata hai k automatically smjh jaye gi. Or han aorta waqai thaki ho to inkaar kr skti hai. Islam nai rokta. Lekin hmare ulema farishto ki laanat ka kh kh k daratay hai khawateen ko. Halan k us reference k mutabiq gar aorta waqai thaki ho to wo kh skti hai k dekho me bht thak gai hu. Me aj nai kr skti.

Shadi k 6 mah ya saal bad dono eiik dosrey ki adat aur nazriyat se waqif ho chukey hotey hain. eik do bachey ho jain to aitmad aur barh jata hai k shohar sochta hai k ab ye kahan jaey gi aur biwi ki life mein bachey eham jaga sumbhal latey hain. (agarche exceptions mojod hain aur hamrey aj kal k dramas is cheez ko exploit bhi ker rahey hain jesa k dikhaya jata hai k larka kisi dosri larki ko pasand karta tha aur wo larki kisi dosrey larkey ko and vice versa aur akhir mein unki talaq karawa k unhain wapis apne asli mashooq k pas bhej dia jata hai. And they live happily ever after. Dramo ki yehi baat hai k yahan her cheez mumkin hai haqeeqat mein magar kia itni hi asani se aisa mumkin hai?) ye common observation hai k bacha koi ghalti ker raha ho to walidain usey pyar se hi samjhatey hain, phir dant ki nobat ati hai aur akhir mein maar ki. Ye normal insano ki fitrat hai. Aisa nai hota pehli bar hi lath ley k charh jain. Isi tarah mard eik bar do bar teen bar bhi sabar ker ley ga magar choti bar shaid na ker sakey. Ab do hi sortein hain ya wo zabardasti karay ya wo dosri biwi (ikhlaqi pehlu se bat ker raha hon) laney ka sochey ga. Ab dosri biwi is aurat ko gawara nai aur sex k mamley pey is k hazar bahaney hain. ab being a male mein apni soch k mutabiq baat karon to mard eik aisi aurat k pas wasey hi nai jatey jis se paseenay, lehan aur piyaz ki boo a rahi ho to sex to wasey hi out of question ho gia. Wo taqaza hi tab karay ga jab aurat khushnuma kefiat mein us k samney mojod ho gi. Ab pehla case thakawat ka hai aur dosra apni marzi ka. Pehley case mein to koi shohar jo feham-o-farast rakhta ho biwi ko kabhi majbor nai karay ga lekin dosrey case mein wo ker sakta hai. Ab biwi us ki desire ko batoor-e-abuse istamal karna shroo ker dey yahan se mamlat bigartey hain. phir zara se baat na hui foran porey khandan mein mashoor ker di gai. Ab sab ney yehi kehna hai k bechari aurat kia taqat rakhti hai kamzor jan hai yehi wehshi darnida hai jo hamari beti pey zulam ker raha hai. Ye bhi eik common observation hai k aurat baat ker k aur sun k bhol bhi jati hai (isi liye shaid aurat ki gawahi adhi hai) magar mard apni beyizzati kabhi nahi bholtey. Misalain hamarey samney hai k mardon ki narazgian ya dosti taweel hoti ha jab aurat aj kisi ki dost hai to kal us ki dushman and vice versa…

Is dor mein jahan aurton ki kaseer tadad bin bihai bethi hai magar usi ki hum jins us ko apna shareek bananey k liye tayar nai (Us k bhi hazar bahaney hain k mera haq maar ley ga ghar se nikal dey ga waghera wagehra jab k asal khof sharakat ka hai) Wo mard ko illegal sex pey to majbor ker sakti hai pakeeza tareekay se nikah karney pe nai… in sab baton ko eik almia hi kaha ja sakt ahi… eik ziada ter cases mein aurat hi aurat ki sab se bari dushman hai…

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Posted on:27th Jan 2017, 4:25am
 

Our society needs to learn how to respect women

We should stop watching bad stuff and broaden our mentality and learn to respect women. Women are our mothers and sisters too. Think about it. What if somebody abuses them? How would we feel? Dressing is not an issue for rape, MENTALITY IS. we need to change our mentality and start treating women as equal just like men.
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Posted on:28th Jan 2017, 2:54pm
 

aorat or mashra

aap ne apne sb answers me sara blame aorat pe daalne ki koshish ki hai. jo kay aam tor pe kiaa jata hai. Aorat parda kre wrna mardo ki niyat kharab ho skti hai. Aorat ghr bethe q k bahir jaye gi or mard dekhe gy or behak jaye gy. Hum musalmaan hai or musalmaan mashro me hr cheez me islam ko dakhil kiyaa jata hai. Or islam ka bhi man pasnd hissa jo k sirf aorat k parday se related hota hai. Pehli baat to smjh le k aorat ka parda jo hai wo bilkul alag hai. Us se mard ki pakeezgi nai juri hui.

Agr koi mard obaash hai or wo kisi aorat ko cherta hai, tang krta hai ya rape krta hai to us ka fail hai larki ka nahi. Humain ye hi soch change krni hai. Hm ne mardo ko sir aasmaan pe charha lia hai. Unhe pora certificate de diyaa hai k jo marzi kro end pe ilzaam aorat pe daal do.

Ap bahir k kisi mulk me chale jayee, kisi ghair muslim mulk me waha koi ap ko ghor ghor k nai dekhtaa. Chahay ap ne bikini pehni ho ya abayaa. Koi niagh bhar k nahi dekhe gaa. Q k unho ne apna zehan sex se hata liaa hai. Wo or cheezo pe focused hain. Hmare zeeehan me har waqt bs aik cheez rhti hai sex. Larki bahr aye gi, us pen azar pare gi or yaha mard ka penis tight ho jaye gaa. Phir larki ko majboran wo cheere ga, moqa mila to ape kre ga. Hmain ye soch badalni hai.

Han kuch aoratin hai jo aisa libas ya abaaya pehnti hai jis se un ka jism numayaa ho lekin us k bawjood b mard ko hak nai k us k libaas ki basis pe koi bad faili kre.

Me Pakistan se bahir hu or alhamdulilah iis kafir mulk se wapis anay ka mera dil nai krta. Do saal hone ko hain. Na kisi ne mjhy chera, na kisi ne mjhy taara, na kisi ne mera rape kiaa. Me abaya pehnti hu. Us wja se mjy log ziada dekhte hain k ye ajeeb kapre q pehnti hai. Is ka mtlb mjy yaha abaya nai pehnna chahye q k abayay ki wja se mjy ziada log dekhte hai?

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Posted on:28th Jan 2017, 8:55pm
 

I agree with you 100%

It's not the clothes, it's the mentality. If we change our mentality and treat women as equal as men, this country will thrive more than other countries. I live in new york too and in the bus or train even if I sit down next to a man he will not look at me or will not do any cheap act because they have not been brought up that way just how men in pakistan are. They consider women to be their equal. In pakistan, men are considered to be first class citizens while women are harassed all the time regardless of their husband or outside men. My message is to all men out there: please respect every women just how u respect your mother and sister. When bibi Hawa was created, she was created with the left side of the rib from prophet pbhu adam. The first bone that was right under the heart. This message has been told by Allah that women should be kept in the heart and should be close to the heart instead of treating her like a shoe. However it's sad that 90 percent of the men don't follow this and pretend to be islamic.
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Posted on:31st Jan 2017, 10:54am
 

@Activist

aap ne apne sb answers me sara blame aorat pe daalne ki koshish ki hai. jo kay aam tor pe kiaa jata hai. Aorat parda kre wrna mardo ki niyat kharab ho skti hai. Aorat ghr bethe q k bahir jaye gi or mard dekhe gy or behak jaye gy. Hum musalmaan hai or musalmaan mashro me hr cheez me islam ko dakhil kiyaa jata hai. Or islam ka bhi man pasnd hissa jo k sirf aorat k parday se related hota hai. Pehli baat to smjh le k aorat ka parda jo hai wo bilkul alag hai. Us se mard ki pakeezgi nai juri hui.

Sister agar ap ki dil azari hui to mein the-e-dil sey mazrat khwa hon. Forum k ilawa bhi mera eik official, academic aur religious tabqey sey taluq rehta hai aur un sey mukhtalif topics pey discussion bhi hoti rehti hai. Aksar aisey hota hai k hum bat samjhney k liye nai balkey behas karney k liye suntey hain. agar ap ney ghor se meri post ko parha ho to ap ko ba-asani andaza ho jae ga k jo batain mein ney share keen wo other school of thought se taluq rakhti hain jis ka mein ney bar ha izhar bhi kiya. mein ney ye nahi kaha k ye meri zati sooch bhi hai. Albatta ye zaroor kaha k logical point of view sey in baton mein wazn hai. Mein ney kisi jaga pey mard ki pakeezgi ko aurat k pardey se nahi jora kyon k her insan apney achey aur buray amal ka zimma dar hai.

Pehli baat to smjh le k aorat ka parda jo hai wo bilkul alag hai.” Agar ap is jumley ki mazid wazahat ker sakain to acha rahey ga kyonk aksar dosra insan mukhatib ki baat ko sahi tor pey understand nahi ker pata aur us ki way of thinking divert ho jati hai. Is ziman mein mein ye bhi chahon ga k ap apni bhi queries byan karain takey mein unhain for the sake of knowledge apney halqa-e-ehbab k sath share ker sakon…

Agr koi mard obaash hai or wo kisi aorat ko cherta hai, tang krta hai ya rape krta hai to us ka fail hai larki ka nahi. Humain ye hi soch change krni hai. Hm ne mardo ko sir aasmaan pe charha lia hai. Unhe pora certificate de diyaa hai k jo marzi kro end pe ilzaam aorat pe daal do.

Ap ki baat bilkul darust hai aur mein ney pichley paragraph mein is ki wazahat bhi ker di hai. In baton se hatt k ap ney eik word “instigate” sun rakha ho ga. Qanoon mein juram ki saza bhi hai aur juram ki waja ya saholat kar bannaney ki bhi. Jasey qatal eik banda karta hai magar mujrim wo bhi kehlata hai jo usey weapon ya home stay ya target/objective/brain washing deta hai/karta hai. Mafhom-e-hadis hai bey parda aurat apney sath kai mardon ko jahunnum mein ley janey ka zarya baney gi.isi zimn mein Mazeed mafhom-e-hadis hai k aurat jab beyparda ghar sey bahar nikalti hai to shetan us ka taqub karta hai yani us ka hamsafar ban jata hai to jab aisi aurat shetan k shar sey hi (according to hadis) mehfoz na ho to aobash mardon se kia khak mehfoz rahey gi. Pehley to shetan ki panah zaroori hai. Isi liye to hum her chotey bara kam karney se pehley taouz/tasmia parhtey hain. ab ye batain mein nahi Allah k nabi (salto wassalam) ker rahey hain. phir surah ahzab mein to aur tafseel se is baray mein zikar hai (parda ko ehmiat mein nahi Allah aur us k nabi dey rahey hain). Eik rawayat hai k jab parda ki ayaat nazil huin to ghaliban amma Ayesha (razi allah) (Allah ghalti kotahi maaf karay) ghar se bahar thin aur apney hujra-e-mubarak ki taraf tashreef ley ja rahi thin k ap ko parda ki ayat k nazool ka ilam hua to ap wahin beth gain jab k hujra-e-mubarik chand qadmon k fasley pey tha. Pehley ap ney apney hujra-e-mubarak sey chadar mangwai aur phir apney hujra tashreef ley gain. Kisi ney ap sey pocha k ap khud kyon na hujra-e-mubarik tashreef ley gain to farmaya k agar isi doran mujha mout a jati to kya hota… ap ye dekiyey k ye ummat ki main hain aur in ki tazeem eman ka hissa hai. In se nikah haram hai phir bhi in ko parda ka hukam diya ja raha hai aur eik aisey zamaney mein k jis mein in maaon k batey suhaba-e-karam jesi hastian hain k jin ko ap ya mein ney nahi balkey Allah ney jannati qarar diya hai un sey bhi parday ka hukam diya jar raha hai…socheny ki baat hai k aisey pakeeza logon se kia parda k jo duniya mein jannati hon? (Aj to gharon mein ikhlaq bakhtagi k waqiat sunnaney ko miltey hain.) Ye ummat ki betiyon k liye eik dars hai k bad mein ye jawaz na nikala jaey k ummat k maaon ney to parda nai kiya tha to hum kyon karain. Jo log ye kehtey hain k parda to dil ka hota hai ya ankh ka hota hai unhain surah-e-ehzab zaroor parhni chahiye. Jab kisi cheez ka hukam quran mein nazil ho jaey to wo qanoon-e-fitrat kehlata hai. Kia qanoon-e-fitrat sey baghawat ker k koi mashra aj tak phal phol paya hai? Yehi hamarey muashrey ki missal bhi hai ka jab aurat ka parda na raha to mard mein bhi haya na rahi. Ap abroad rehti hain to ap behtar tor pey in baton ko samjh sakti hain. us mashrey ney maadi taraqi to ker li magar us k beyond kia hai is ka jawab ap k zimmey…

Mard ko nigahein nechi rakhney ka hukam hai magar aurat ko nigahein neechi rakhney k sath sath pardey ka bhi hukam hai aur is mein option koi nai hai…kyonk ye Allah ka hukam hai kisi bashar ka nahi…

Ap bahir k kisi mulk me chale jayee, kisi ghair muslim mulk me waha koi ap ko ghor ghor k nai dekhtaa. Chahay ap ne bikini pehni ho ya abayaa. Koi niagh bhar k nahi dekhe gaa. Q k unho ne apna zehan sex se hata liaa hai. Wo or cheezo pe focused hain. Hmare zeeehan me har waqt bs aik cheez rhti hai sex. Larki bahr aye gi, us pen azar pare gi or yaha mard ka penis tight ho jaye gaa. Phir larki ko majboran wo cheere ga, moqa mila to ape kre ga. Hmain ye soch badalni hai.

Mein apki baton se partially agree karon ga aur uski reason bhi mein bayan kiye deta hon. Jis mashrey ki ap baat ker rahi hain wahan aurat ki hesiat eik tissue paper sey ziada kuch nahi aur unfortunately wahan aurat bohat cheaply available hai for any kind of service. Jab ayashi karney k liye chand bux mein eik aurat mil jaey gi to ghar basaney aur bachey palney ki zimma dariyon mein kon parey ga. Isi liye aisa mashra khandani level pey tabahi ka shikar hai. Phir eik baat ko samjhney ki koshish kijeay ya chalain ap ki kahi hui baat ko hi miyar samajh latey hain k wahan koi mard aurat ko nigah utha k nahi dekhta ya unho ney apna dimagh sex se hata lia hai to is ki 2 bari obvious reasons hain jo mein ney oper byan keen…1. Wahan aurat saastey damo dastyab hai…2. Un ka qanoon…

Wahan log honest nahi magar wahan ka qanoon logon ko honest rakhta hai kyon k wahan qanoon ki amal dari hai. Kisi k zehan mein kia hai usey siwaye Allah k koi aur nahi jan sakta aur na hi ap aur mein kisi insan ki masom/badmash declare ker saktey hain kyonk dilon k bhed hum nahi jantey… agar hum satt’hii level pey baton ko relate krain to eik mashra aurat mard ko consensus adultery ki permission deta hai aur aurat bhi chand bux mein dastyab hai aur aksar cases mein to eik time ka lunch ya dinner hi kafi hota hai to aisey mardon ka kia dimagh kharab hai k wo asaan rasta chorain aur kisi aurat ko khamkhwa chair ker qanooni shikanjey mein jakrey jain. Jitney paisey unhain harjana mein denain parey gey utney mein to wo kai aurton k sath ayashi ker saktey hain. Ab Pakistan ki taraf a jain to yahan kisi bhi aisey amal ko qannoni provision hasil nahi hai. Yahan per maashi aur muashrti jakar bandiyon ki waja sey log khasosan nojwan tabqa mehroomiyon ka shikar hai. Aur unfortunately insan hamesha sey hi asani ka aadi raha hai aur wo asan rastey ka hi intakhab karta hai (mashrey mein pheli hui buraiyon ki taraf ishara hai). Hamarey darmyan jo paisey waley log hain wo paisey dey k ayashi ker latey hain. agar Pakistan mein bhi aisi qanoon sazi ho jaey to yahan bhi koi aurat ko us tarah ghor ghor k nai dekhy ga jis tara k ap ney Europe ki missal di (aisa honey ki sorat mein kia aurat pehley se ziada mehfoz ho gi?) kyon k mushrey ki tamam ter buraiyon k bawjod yahan aurat qeemti hai magar wahan saasti…aur ye baat ap bakhobi janti hain k qeemti cheez ko hasil karna her eik k bas ki baat nahi to isko churaney ki her koi koshish karta hai..sasti to her eik k quwat-e-khareed mein hoti hai…. Aur ap ye bhi janti hain k qeemti cheezain chupa k rakhi jati hain sarak pey nahi…maksad eik missal se baat ko wazeh karna tha wagarna hukam k agey missal kesi…

Han kuch aoratin hai jo aisa libas ya abaaya pehnti hai jis se un ka jism numayaa ho lekin us k bawjood b mard ko hak nai k us k libaas ki basis pe koi bad faili kre.

Ap ki baat sey mein fully agreed hon. Is k sath eik parallel thinking bhi hai…mafhom-e-hadis hai am’aal ka daromadar niyyaton pey hai…niyyat se amal bana aura amal sey kirdar, kirdar sey insan, insan sey mashra, mashery se ummat. Ab is mein ap koi eik link break ker dain to sab kuch bikhar jaey ga bilkul toti tasbeeh k dano ki tarah. Baat phir niyyat pey ley ain k niyyat kia thi kyon k jesi niyyat ho gi amal bhi wesa ho ga. Amal se ap ki pehchan honi hai (baat wohi k dilon k bhed to Allah janta hai) k ap k amal se apki shakhsiat ki pehchan hoti hai. Hamara deen fitney ki jar sey beekh kuni karta hai. qassas, hath katna, sangsar karna, korey lagana bazahir intehai aziyat naak sazain lagti hain magar ye muashrey ko burai se aisey saf karti hain jasey filter pani ko. Rishwat daney wala pehley jahanum mein ja raha hai banisbat laney waley k…

Araish-o-zaibaish aurat ki fitri kamzori hai aur isey deen ney bhi tasleem kiya hai. Is araish-o-zaibaish ka izhar apney mehram rishta daron aur apni saheliyon k sath char deewari mein bhi kiya ja sakta hai che jaikey ghar se bahar nikal k kiya jaey. (ye alag behas k araish-o-zaibaish k bad khud numai/khud pasandi sey bachna bhi koi asan nahi. Dekha aur suna gaya hai k aksar aurtein inhi baton ko ley k eik dosrey ki gheebat karti hain). Aagr isi araish-o-zaibash ki taweel ko jaiz samjh liya jaey to ramp pey cat walk krney wali models aur araish-o-zaibaish ker k bey parda nikalney wali aurat ko kia samjha jaey ga. K agar ye kam mayob nahi hai to phir wo bhi mayob nahi…. Isi liye shariat ney is fitney ko jar se khatam kiya awalan aurat ko bila zaroorat ghar se bahar na janey ka paband kia mard pe kasb-e-muash ki zimma dari dal k. saniain… ghar se bahar janey ki sorat mein aurat ko pardey ka paband kia… agar allah chahta to wo mard ko nigahein neechi rakhney k sath sath aurat ki tarah pardey ka hukam bhi dey sakta tha. Ab ye ap k liye sochney ka muqam hai k hukam aurat ko hi kyon dia gaya? Hopefully ap mujhay is ka jawab dain gi…

eik patakhey ya phul jhari bananey wali factory mein diya salai ka kia kam? Bachon waley ghar mein Dettol ya phenyl sar-e-amm rakhney ka kia kam? Isi tarah araish-o-zaibish ker k bahar bey parda aurat ka kia kam? Ghar k darwazey khuley chor k pochna k ghar mein choron ka kia kam? Ab ap hi batain k chori ki sorat mein qasur war kon? K agar choron ki itni hi ikhlaqi tarbiat hoti to wo chori kartey hi kyon? Apni izzat ko bachana bhi ain eman ka hissa hai…isey stake pey rakh k ye sochna k dosrey is ki hifazat karain aqli aur mantaqi aitbar sey samjh sey balatar hai… k jab ap ko is ki hifazat karni nai ati to bahar pehley konsi cheez mehfoz hai…?

Allah k nabi eik baap bhi hain aur shohar bhi uar ap salato wassalam ney eik rawayat k mutabiq 11. Aur dosri k mutabiq 13 azwaj k sath zindagi basar ki yani her tabiat aur mizaj ki aurat k sath nibah kiya. Ap kisi eik umm-e- momineen ki missal dein dein jinho ney pardey k hukam mein taweel ya excuses sey kam liya ho (maslan muashrey ko ilzam diya, logon ko ilzam diya) jab k wo muashra sahaba-e-karam jesi hastiyon ka muashra tha ap ya mujh jasey kamzor logon ka nahi…unho ney parda kerney mein pehal bhi ki aur ker k bhi dikhaya k pardey ka bhi miyar kesa hona chahiye…agar aj k buraiyon sey bharpor muashrey mein pardey ko eik option samjh lia jaey ga aur amal sey is ka izhar bhi ho ga to phir (newton hi nai) qanoon-e-fitat bhi hai k rad-e-amal bhi wesa hi ho ga…kyon k fitarti asool Allah ki mansha k tabey hain…is ko Allah ki taraf sey bhi eik tanbeeh samjhna chahiye na k zid aur ana ka masla…jab ap Allah k hukam pey man-o-an amal karain gey to Allah in zameeni shetano k liye kafi hai… apney andar isi eman ko hi to peda karna mushkil hai kyon k shetan insan ko uski soch k mutabiq hi dhoka deta hai…us ka hathyar alim aur jahil k liye brarbar nahi…

Me Pakistan se bahir hu or alhamdulilah iis kafir mulk se wapis anay ka mera dil nai krta. Do saal hone ko hain. Na kisi ne mjhy chera, na kisi ne mjhy taara, na kisi ne mera rape kiaa. Me abaya pehnti hu. Us wja se mjy log ziada dekhte hain k ye ajeeb kapre q pehnti hai. Is ka mtlb mjy yaha abaya nai pehnna chahye q k abayay ki wja se mjy ziada log dekhte hai?

Is mein koi shak nahi k degar ikhlaqi buraiyon sey hatt k wo log waqai insan ki qadar kartey hain k jahan kuttey billiyon k bhi haqqoq hon wahan insano k to kia hi kehney…magar sath hi sat hap almia mulahiza kijeay k meri eik aunt London hoti hain guzishta 30,35 saal sey aur wahan ki citizen hain magar batey k rishtey k liye wo Pakistan ain aur uski shadi ki…walidain bachon ko bara ker datey hain magar wahan k mahol sey bhi dartey rehtey hain k in mein bigar na a jaey…maar to saktey nahi k qannon is ki ijazat nahi deta magar kia hamarey mazhab mein bhi aisey hi hai…? Bahar ki missal ko ap mashriqi muashrey sey interms of obligations relate nahi ker saktin.. ye aisey hi hai jasey pani ka muqabla ab- zam zam se kia jaey…eik munkar k liye wo pani hi hai magar kia hamarey liye sirf pani hai?

Dosri baat do as the romans do hamari dictionary mein nahi ye gorey ki ejad hai jo honesty ko eik asool ya ikhlaq nahi balkey eik policy samjhta hai. Jab chahey badal lo… jab nabi salto wassalam ney tableegh ki to us waqt muashra ap k waqt se ziada alien, fierce aur violent tha. Magar kia ap ney tableegh rok di? Log ap ko is liye bhi ziada dekhtey hon gey k ap us muashrey ka eik Islamic symbol hain jo tallem yafta bhi hai aur liberal bhi… unfortunately western media ney apney logon k zehno mein Islamic phobia bhar rakha hai aur wo usi ta’sub ki ainek sey muslims ko dekhtey hain. marwa al-sherbini ki missal ap k sameny hai… mardon ko sar pey topi rakhney ka hukam bhi isi silent impression/tableegh ki ilamat hai. Isi tarah in your case is ka hargiz ye matlab nahi k abaya ki waja se ap logon ki tawajo ka markaz ban gai hain…darhaqeeqat ap ki taraf sey ye eik silent impression/deen ki yableegh hi hai magar bat phir usi niyyat ki tarf lout jati ha… jasey ap ney hadis sun rakhi ho gi… mafhom-e-hadis hai k shehad haq hai tarey bhai k pait ney jhot bola….

Mein yaha eik baat clear karta chalon Ye sab batain marey topic se relate nahi kartin…ap ki post parh k kuch sawalat ney marey zehan mein janam liya aur chonkey mein ilam mein quran-o-hadis ko eik reference ya standard samjhta hon to in mamlat mein ilam walon sey baat cheet aur rehnumai ka silsila bhi jari rehta hai…yahan tak k aalimat k mazameen aur bayanat bhi suntan rehta hon aur jo batain oper likhi gain wo isi ilam ka nichor hain…is baat ka zikar is liye bhi zaroori samjha k kahin ap ko ye guman na ho k chonkey mein bhi eik mard hon to biased hon magar ye k jo hukam hai wo har hal mein wohi rahey ga apart from this k ap ya mein kia sochtey hain… mein bazat-e-khud aalim nahi magar is ka matlab ye bhi nahi k mujhay deen ka ilam nahi seekhna chahiye…kyon k ye mujh pey bhi utna hi farz hai jita k kisi dosrey musalman pey…batain share karney ka maksad ye impose karna nahi k mein theek hon ya ap ghalat hain. jis tarah mein ne yap ki post ko hargiz negative nahi liya balkey ap ki post ki waja sey mujhay bohat kuch sochney ka moqa mila aur marey zehan mein question arise huey aur mein ney us pe research bhi ki…ye zaroor hua k topic divert ho gya magar chonkey public forum ko har koi parhta hai to parhney walon ko bhi soch ka eik zaviya muyassar aye ga…

Ap chonkey is post pey apna qeemti waqt deti hain to ye bhi eik nainsafi hai k mein pehlu tahi se kam lon aur response na karon…aagr ap apni profile mein country ki field ko generalize na kartin to yeh batain mein pehly hi poch chukka hota….I hope u will understand…

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Yahan bhi eik sawal mary zehan mein hai k aisey cases mein jahan gang rape kia jata hai aur eik se ziada mard penetration kartey hain to aurat k andar kia complications nai ati hon gi. I mean to say k kia 2 mukhtalif mardon ka sperm aurat k egg ko fertilize ker sakta hai? Agar han to peda honey waley bachey pe is k kia asrat hon gey? Is case agar pregnancy ho jati hai to haml tehrana jaiz ho ga ya najaiz? Agar maan najaiz aulad peda na karna chahti ho to islam aur hamara qanoon is baray mein kia kehta hai? Ye bat bhi mashoor hai k ganda khoon apna asar dikhata hai aur aisa hum amooman dekhtey bhi hain to kia is qias pey najaiz aulad ko peda karna chahiye ya nai? Lastly rape k cases mein hamarey hospitals mein kia practice hai yani aisey patients ko kis tara deal kia jata hai (kyon k fori to pregnancy bhi shaid mumkin nai hoti aur patient bhi trauma mein hota hai)?
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